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**recluse420**

NoChinDeluxe wrote:This is getting ridiculous. I'm attacking on Shahikot, and there is a guy camping the mortars from the rocks above with a combat-scoped AK. As we're trying to assault the mortars, this guy is just raining down death on our team. So I decide to switch off riflemen to the M24 so I could snipe this guy and give our team a chance to advance. All I can see is his head sticking up over the rock, so I take a shot. The hit markers register, but he doesn't die and he ducks behind the rock. I wait for him to reappear, and sure enough, he sticks his head out again. I take another shot, ANOTHER hit marker registers, and he STILL doesn't die. He then finds me with his AK and I'm instantly dead.

I mean what is the point of even having a sniper class any more if we can't even use them for situations like this? I was on the front lines, because I was originally assaulting, and so I was pretty close to the guy. It was even a ranked hardcore server, and so not only was his health already lowered, but his health didn't regenerate after the first hit, and he STILL didn't die.

I understand why the sniper rifles were nerfed...I really do. Getting one shot kills on any part of the body was excessive, but the nerf is excessive as well. It's too extreme. I feel like the sniper class has effectively been removed from the game because it's so useless. What's even worse is that even from long range, it seems like assault rifles overpower the sniper rifles. There is no way the slow reload times of the bolt actions can go up against the long range of combat-scoped weapons when 2 shot kills are almost always required. I noticed in a game yesterday that even when I had Match Ammo, FMJ, and AP Round buffs on, I still couldn't get a one shot kill in the upper chest. Something needs to be done.

So I write this sticky for two reasons:

1) As a sort of petition for other MoH fans to add their approval. Those of us who love this game want to see it succeed, and I personally believe that just some minor tweaks can make this game amazing.

2) As a desperate request for someone, ANYONE, from DICE or EA to simply reply, even if it's just once, on these forums. Even if a dev just gets on here to say, "We're not changing anything," that's fine. I think most people on here would just be satisfied with knowing that someone out there is actually listening.

So if you agree with my post above, please state your approval below.

Well NCD, It seems as though you just had lag issues... since I've been playing the game since it came out I've NEVER had a problem one shotting someone with the opfor or the coalition forces bolt action snipers. I play EVERYDAY like religiously and I have NEVER had a problem with the bolt acton s damage. Although I HAVE heard of this problem with A LOT of people... I do however think that the damage on ALL the weapons for that matter should be looked at... since the mp7a1 and the ak 47 do virtualy the same ammount of damage... plus i can use almost any gun (save for the shotguns) and get the same killing results. The weapons defently do need to be looked at and I agree that the Bolt actions should be upgraded for damage... BUT!!!!!! I would HATE to see some thing like the AWP in Counter Strike... one shot ANYWHERE and its a kill... ALL bolt action sniper weapons should be instant kill on the head, and two shots center mass...

**DeathRebel21**

You have to be joking right? Snipers already get their cake and get to eat it too. A sniper can score ten freaking kills and have double the amount of points that an assault or special ops player will score with triple the kills or more.

**recluse420**

DeathRebel21 wrote:You have to be joking right? Snipers already get their cake and get to eat it too. A sniper can score ten freaking kills and have double the amount of points that an assault or special ops player will score with triple the kills or more.

NOT true, i can score more then snipers with spec ops and ESPEACIALY riflemen, its simple all you do is snipe... lol.. seriously just snipe with every weapon... its the way to go, my favorite gun is m21 (v) - RDs, Supp., OTbullets. and the G3 - RDs, stock, OTbullets. and most favorite of all is the ak47 - Cbt Scope, Supp., OTbullets. I can out score snipers on Helmund Valley, with my ak.

Its all about how you play; if you take specOps and rush in to the flag without checking every angle then obviously you're only going to get the kills of the guys that are facing the other way and the ones that spawn will merc you.
BUT
If you move in slowly from the side checking every place that is a good 'vantage point on YOUR position then your chances of survival increase HUGE.. you dont even have to be "good" to get an "pwnage" score lol. its all about knowing where they (meaning the enemy) sits to snipe/sits to kill.

The same goes for Riflemen class .. its just simple knowledge that if you run in there guns blazing you die... I suggest rushing with your team, like it sounds like you like to do... and just waiting at the corner for like 3 seconds and let them run infront of you I bet your chances of getting kills and surviving the battle will increase and you might not have such a hate for snipers anymore..

**Sheiko**

phahahahaha yeah i jsut posted on the forums complaining about this and theni see this, yes dude this is a serious problem. i agree, EA get off your Assess and fix this now!

**MLBxKI11SWITCHx...**

Jaruff wrote:I only fire on headshots so I haven't had an issue with the damage being lowered on the sniper rifles.

My tip: unless you have a 100% chance of a headshot, don't fire. It's simple trigger discipline. You can't complain about not getting kills on torso shots if you don't take torso shots.

You can't always say to go for a headshot... Even in the Military they don't specifically aim for headshots... they are taught to aim for the upper torso center of mass and not to take the time to line up perfect shots...

**thebigc**

i play moh and the bolt actions are worse than the the m21 and pistol. the used to have 100 damage but now they don`t have any damge or barley the damage it like 1 bar which sucks in real life they would kill any one

**glwman**

I agree... to make it more realistic why not have head shot as a one shot kill and two elsewhere on the body if the guy has a flak vest !

**stanandoli**

Fully agree the game weapon balance sucks really bad for bolt action rifles or any high powered sniper rifle. I typically can put 3 shots in someone long range with a sniper rifle without a kill and they turn and shoot me once or twice with a pistol or machine gun and i am dead.

2 major problems a .50 cal sniper rifle shot at long distance will take a person down while a 9mm bullet long distance is neither powerful enough or accurate enough to kill.

So we have to ask why is the pistol the most powerful weapon in the game followed up by a hand held close range support machine gun?

Oh thats right ... I forgot EA is not doing anything to ban hackers they are allowing people to modify their games without punishment so people will exploit the unbalanced weapons like the pistol and machine gun with aim bots and wall hacks to put 1 or 2 shots on target long range and make kill shots that are impossible in real life.

**Shockoach**

Did they not patch it on the xbox or something?

**Kranlock**

Simply sent the bill for all the smashed mouses/ joypads you have broken, every time you hit a specops in the head and he doesn't die, returning an unfathomably precise repetitive round of hell-damaging bullets from 300ft distance ..from his one-hand held ...uzi.!!! ..to DICE. Congrats DICE... you "diced" this one.

It is simple.The way this game is set, as an on-line shooter, it is only good for running around like a *, shooting at any direction, hoping to get enough kills due to low ping. it kind of reminds of unreal tournament ...yeah how fun that was !!!...

Cant believe I payed 40 euros to buy this game... worst spend money on a game ever

**weaklandwarrior...**

stanandoli wrote:

2 major problems a .50 cal sniper rifle shot at long distance will take a person down while a 9mm bullet long distance is neither powerful enough or accurate enough to kill.

my fav using the shotgun at a long distance next to the snipers. two shots for a kill. one for a head shot. pretty funny

**STL1456**

only with long distance snipes. when youre not so far away its not so bad

**oO jaayjaay Oo**

if your getteing hit markrs then clearley it wasent a head shot or u didnt have match ammo

ive never had a problem with the m24 or the sv98 sniper rifles

i can shoot from the first objective to the last objective on helmand valley

2 bullets will get me a cruise if your shots are on taret then they will go down first shot

**Incia**

Any reason for a sticky like this? Also stating just to see 'if anyone is reading these forums', well isn't it obvious no devs or whatsoever is reading these?

So many pages but no * patch yet.

"This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 12/07/2010 10:53:00" <-- this is just lol

This game is abandoned, they moved on, no reason to play this anymore. They just killed an otherwise good game.

1 balance patch and mode tweak patch would have been enough, but no, they don't have the time or resources, instead they spend millions of budget money on a new game that also ahs lots of unbalances.

CLEAN SWEEP is dead, it has 0 players all the time, fix it.
SPEC OP DUAL MAGAZINE, have no purpose because AP BULLETS have the same amount of ammo, fix this.
NOOBTUBE, is even more ridicules then the sniper one-hit-kill before, fix noobtube, make them useless so they ar enever used and buff snipers a bit.

Though, I do not agree with this thread. You only need Match Ammo to make snipers one-hit kill, you must have legshot them or something. Without match ammo = headshot = instant kill. Match ammo = chest shot = instant kill.
Sniper class is fine, they just take skill nowdays.

Only buff though I would like to see for sniper class is on close-range. They seem to 2 shot-kill from close range too which is ridicules. Close range sniper rifle should act like shotgun = one-hit kill, if aimed correctly.
Long range = 2-shot kill if aimed correctly.

When I play sniper class nowdays I only use C4, and Pistol. And this only works on Sector Control, not the other modes.

Oh, and FIX THE * RAG DOLLS MORPHING THROUGH THE FLOORS AND WALLS, NOOB CODING MISTAKES, fire yourself, quit, go work at burger king instead.

**THE POPE uk**

hi, im new to this game only had a few days and enjoying, except i find trying to kill people is so dam hard i fire round after round at people and they always kill me, using the minigun hiting someone and they beat me useing a pistol grrr dont seem right, i try killing with sniper rifle have not got a kill yet with it yet, but i get taken out with 1 shot every time buy snipers.
i play b/ops,cod 4 ,mw2,crsis 2, and dont have problems killing on them. so tell me do my weapons get more powerfull the more my skill points go up ? cuz it seems like the other team always has guns that kill and i dont lol.

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