cem_ea_id.Hoak wrote:

BF_SUB.xX7Pan7cho7Xx wrote:I fail to see how prone is such a big deal.....

Yes, from your remarks your failure to understand is obvious. Summarily, not everyone wants to see the BF games get increasingly faster, more arcady, with an incremental reduction of realism and tactical opportunity.

The middle ground between hard-core realism/sims, and arcady fantasy shooters with a realism paint job is becoming emptier and emptier with each passing iteration of the 'BIG' franchises.

To some extent mods can fill the void, but that's been less and less the case with mods like Project Reality in the opinion and preference of many go too far in the other direction, with too much feature granularity, and tedious rules that take 'game' out of play.

As the Battlefield franchise, 'Clancy™' titles (Ghost Recon), Operation Flash Point, and even MoH/COD have become increasingly superficial, arcady, and shallow in their realism features; tactical sophistication and depth of play takes a nose dive -- some of us want more depth of play, and tactical opportunity not less.

BF_SUB.xX7Pan7cho7Xx wrote:There is a big difference between realism and hiding in the grass for 15 min a round.

BF_SUB.xX7Pan7cho7Xx wrote:Losing the ability to lay down just means you will have to learn to use your right hand (well, for aiming with a mouse or your thumb)...don't be afraid to shoot, crouching works just fine for cover.

cem_ea_id.KyROS wrote:The main problem with consoles is the technological limitations. XBOX 360/PS3/Wii are pretty dated on the hardware. A game like BC2, that has huge maps, tons of effects such as smoke, explosions, a lot of players, etc. would make it very hard to code on consoles, despite them being unified hardware platforms. I'm not sure why they wouldn't include prone though, because it's a pretty standard feature for most modern type FPS games, but it's certainly not a deal breaker. None the less, games like BC2 are very taxing on systems and until next gen console hardware comes out, it will be hard to keep pace with customer expectations.

With the crack down on P2P traffic though, you can expect to see things like dedicated severs make their way to consoles soon. I'm pretty sure that BC2 will actually finally offer dedicated servers for consoles. Really it's about time for Microsoft and Sony to start showing some new hardware. Nintendo has a nice little niche with the Wii, but it could use an update as well.

The problem I see is that console gamers have learned to settle for less instead of demanding more. I see all these flame wars going on between PC and console gamers, but it's really quite silly. We are all gamers and everyone has their own reasons for each platform. With consoles, you obviously have unified hardware, lower initial cost of the console itself, the ability to also function as a media extender, can play on your TV while sitting in an easy chair or on the couch, and a much larger player base. With PC's, you have much more powerful capabilities, limited only by your wallet, so with this comes vastly superior graphics and resolutions, better sound, higher customization, easier modding tools, etc. On the down side to PC gaming you have higher cost for hardware, lower sales, which often result in poorly ported games, non-unified platform so it's not possible for developers to optimize like they can consoles, and of course the technical issues that are often experiences because of the vast array of hardware and software.

The whole recent debate over dedicated servers though is a serious issue and one that console gamers seem to not quite understand I think. The government and ISP are/will be cracking down on P2P traffic because of piracy. This will affect all gamers, both console and PC. Dedicated servers run on business class connections and don't have the overhead of a GUI, so they can be optimized for maximum performance. Console gamers need to start putting pressure on developers to build games around dedicated server support. Then consoles can have larger games, like 32 and 64 man, no lag, no host advantage, and other perks that come with dedicated servers.

I think once we start seeing next gen console gaming systems, we'll likely see more cross platform support. If Microsoft weren't so hell bent on keeping keyboard/mouse away from XBOX because they fear the loss in sales of Windows, then there would no longer be the excuse of PC gamers having the advantage of superior precision when it comes to aiming. Ultimately, I hope to see at least PC and XBOX start reaching cross platform capabilities. Obviously, with current gen hardware, PC gamers would have better graphics, but all it would take is the ability to use a keyboard/mouse for games like FPS and RTS to "equal the playing field" make cross platform gaming a reality.

cem_ea_id.Hoak wrote:

BF_SUB.xX7Pan7cho7Xx wrote:I fail to see how prone is such a big deal.....

Yes, from your remarks your failure to understand is obvious. Summarily, not everyone wants to see the BF games get increasingly faster, more arcady, with an incremental reduction of realism and tactical opportunity.

The middle ground between hard-core realism/sims, and arcady fantasy shooters with a realism paint job is becoming emptier and emptier with each passing iteration of the 'BIG' franchises.

To some extent mods can fill the void, but that's been less and less the case with mods like Project Reality in the opinion and preference of many go too far in the other direction, with too much feature granularity, and tedious rules that take 'game' out of play.

As the Battlefield franchise, 'Clancy™' titles (Ghost Recon), Operation Flash Point, and even MoH/COD have become increasingly superficial, arcady, and shallow in their realism features; tactical sophistication and depth of play takes a nose dive -- some of us want more depth of play, and tactical opportunity not less.

BF_SUB.SturmerFIN wrote:Im PC gamer.
I have nothing against consoles.

But I hate thing that games are made for consoles and Pad controllers -> limiting games hugely.

- No dedicated servers (have you heard PS3 or Xbox360 servers?)
- Small maps (Consoles cant handle large maps)
- Short visibility (Consoles cant handle long draw distance)
- Extremely simplified controls. No Prone, No leaning, No firing mods... lot more (Pad controller)
- 3rd person view (1st person too slow with Pad controller)
- Unrealistic damage. (Console players lack mobility that PC players have)

So why PC players should suffer because Consoles just cant run games as they are meant to be???

If console games would just support Mouse/keyboard.
Well thats not going to happen. How retarded it may sound.

xbox.BlackMagicMouse wrote:

BF_SUB.SturmerFIN wrote:Im PC gamer.
I have nothing against consoles.

But I hate thing that games are made for consoles and Pad controllers -> limiting games hugely.

- No dedicated servers (have you heard PS3 or Xbox360 servers?)
- Small maps (Consoles cant handle large maps)
- Short visibility (Consoles cant handle long draw distance)
- Extremely simplified controls. No Prone, No leaning, No firing mods... lot more (Pad controller)
- 3rd person view (1st person too slow with Pad controller)
- Unrealistic damage. (Console players lack mobility that PC players have)

So why PC players should suffer because Consoles just cant run games as they are meant to be???

If console games would just support Mouse/keyboard.
Well thats not going to happen. How retarded it may sound.

most ignorant console post ever. console can do all those things......the market just isnt there for it.