DIAMONDDM13 wrote:Yeah, true, they would get SOME money, but were are not talking about some. EA is making TONS of money because of the exclusive Boost cars. That is a huge difference.

Right, it IS a difference, but ea is a LARGE company that doesn't need to turn every cent twice before spending it unless there is a black hole somewhere around that sucks up all the money.
Right now ea is acting like they got a black hole somewhere...

1 question for all of you:

WHAT IS SO HARD ON MAKING ALL CARS AND PARTS PURCHASABLE FOR BOTH IGC AND BOOST?

I mean, everyone would be happy, free players would work hard to buy it for IGC while boost players would get it right a way. EA would make much more money this way as they wuld have more satisfied customers/players. Even more Free players would come and that would improve the advertisiment = even more money. So seriously, why not?

You all, regardless if you pay or not, must admit that this is the most fair way it could be done as it wouldnt give anyone legal cheats (unfair advantage over others) anymore. I also think World should have been like that from the beginning. It wouldnt have lost so many players that way.

WHAT IS SO HARD ON MAKING ALL CARS AND PARTS PURCHASABLE FOR BOTH IGC AND BOOST?

because who in their right mind would spend a dime on the game?
when with a bit of patience you would get w/e anyway

i buy boost, but if this happened i would keep my money ..simple as that

MaxTunnerX wrote:1 question for all of you:

WHAT IS SO HARD ON MAKING ALL CARS AND PARTS PURCHASABLE FOR BOTH IGC AND BOOST?

I mean, everyone would be happy, free players would work hard to buy it for IGC while boost players would get it right a way. EA would make much more money this way as they wuld have more satisfied customers/players. Even more Free players would come and that would improve the advertisiment = even more money. So seriously, why not?

You all, regardless if you pay or not, must admit that this is the most fair way it could be done as it wouldnt give anyone legal cheats (unfair advantage over others) anymore. I also think World should have been like that from the beginning. It wouldnt have lost so many players that way.

The reason is a large perecentage of the boost players would instantly become free players so they would make less money.
For example i buy boost, i buy the things i want that are not available for IGC, if everything i want can be bought with IGC i will stop buying boost. I am not unique amongst boost players, most you will find are like me.
The last car i bought was the RS Cosworth, i bought it with IGC why would i spend my boost on something i can have for free.

jaz_nfs wrote:because who in their right mind would spend a dime on the game?
when with a bit of patience you would get w/e anyway

i buy boost, but if this happened i would keep my money ..simple as that

No need to go that far to make everything available for free... There you are right, something has to be for money only or most of the people won't spend anything.
BUT the things that are given out for money shouldn't give an improvement in racing an ingame-cash player can't achieve at any point.

Guys, let me clear my statement a bit. Just look at the example. If all cars and parts are for IGC and boost , this is how ea will make money:

Lets say a player wants elise. That one costs 400 000 IGC, you also have to be over lvl 20 to get it (i think)

Boost user lvl 1, can buy elise right a way
Free player needs to reach lvl 20, save 400k and then he can buy it.

Extreme example: Murcielago
Boost player lvl 1 just buys boost and gets the car
Free player needs to reach the max level, which takes forever, save 2 500 000 cash, and after that he can buy it.

And also there are rentals. While boost users can test drive the car before they buy it, which can save them money, Free players cant. so if they buy GTR-like-car for 1,2kk, they just lost 1 200 000 IGC (which takes forever to get again), while boost user lost not even 1 000 boost for the rental.

You see what i mean? its still hell of a difference to buy boost or play for free. People will still buy boost. Maybe more than ever.

BTW yes, there should be boost exclusive content but not something that gives you unfair advantage. Exclusive content should be sowflakes, snowflake neons, heart neons, unique vinyls and such. Boost exclusive cars should be just collectibles, not perfomance beasts. Something like koenigsegg.

Max, I see your point clearly.

But I think that at least 50% of the boost buyers would change to igc-players then. This because of high boost prices without any difference besides of owning a car earlier everyone can buy later on. Since the matchmaker is at least in matching usually pretty much even cars perfectly, it might happen that a lvl 10 boost player with elise would get matched with a lvl 30 igc-player with the same car.

Why even spending money when you get it later for free? That's why I think there has to be something unique for boost.

MaxTunnerx wrote: BTW yes, there should be boost exclusive content but not something that gives you unfair advantage. Exclusive content should be sowflakes, snowflake neons, heart neons, unique vinyls and such. Boost exclusive cars should be just collectibles, not perfomance beasts. Something like koenigsegg.

Exactely.

thought i would answer a few of the posts aimed at me in one post.

It has been said i despise free players:
No i don't, i have nothing against free players what so ever. The free players that constantly moan about the service they are given get on my nerves as i have the view..... it costs you nothing, play it if you like it, play something else if you don't.

Someone said i am desperate to win i buy boost to give myself an advantage:
While this would be true for many people it isnt for me. I do very few multiplayer races, nearly all my races are private with friends. Everyone of my friends buys boost so i have no advantage over them and my two most commonly used cars at present are probably my mazda 3 and rs cosworth which both happen to be IGC cars. sometimes we all use the same stock IGC cars for fun.


regarding the daft post about the cheeseburger:
Yes if someone gives you a free cheeseburger to try and it makes you ill then yes you do have grounds to complain.
If you feel this game has in some way made you ill or damaged you then yes you would also have grounds to complain.
However if someone is giving away free cheeseburgers to try and you don't like it you have no grounds for complaint.
What some of you people do is take your free cheeseburger complain you don't like it yet still come back everyday for another free cheeseburger and each time complain about it again.
If you try your cheeseburger and dont' like it stop keep coming back for another.


It has been said i don't think free players contribute to the game:
This is untrue i know free players are important to the game and important for many different reasons.
1: each one is a potential customer
2: each one can bring friends to the game who may purchase and become a customer
3: each one increases the games stock by becoming a user, the more users the higher the profile of the game
4: each one is an extra person a boost player can have a better car than so he encourages sales
5: By giving them good cars it encourages boost players to respend, they are a sales tool. for example free players where given the M3 a real top car which resulted in all the boost players buying the murc say they had a better one.
All of the free players have now been given the murc which will result in all those boost players that had the murc and where content with it to go buy themselves a GT3 or RTR or something else. Eventually free players will be given a GT3 to encourage the boost players that where content with there GT3 to buy the new best car.

When they made the murc IGC it is not a effort by them to make the free player happier it is part of there marketing stratergy to increase sales.


Someone pointed out that another game (forget the name) free players get the same as paying customers with exception of skins.
I'm not sure how that is relivent to be honest.
Every business has the goal of maximising profit while working within there ethical boundaries. Each will have a marketing stratergy that they believe fits there product. EA will have spent a lot of time and money developing money this one and i'm sure the other developer that you mentioned will have on theres. This one suits EA's product and i'm sure the other one suits theres. they do after all have teams of very well payed professionals that come up with them.

What you need to get your head around is the fact that EA are a business, they are in the business of making money not the business of providing high quality free gratus entertainment.


one of the main things i am getting slated for is my view that they are being quite generous:

many of you are arguing with me telling me i am wrong they are not generous:
You can not argue that i am wrong here, you can say that in your opinion they are not generous but you can not argue my opinion is wrong. I like motzart, i enjoy listening to his music, this is like you trying to argue that i'm wrong about liking motzart.
If i give £10 to a homeless man on the street, one man might thing i am being generous another might thing i am not as its not enough.
I think the amount given free is generous, others may think it is to generous and others may think its not generous enough.
They are opinions they can be neither wrong no right and each of us will have there own.



If you feel i have not answered an accusation feel free to leave a @sosad message and i will answer it.

MaxTunnerX wrote:Guys, let me clear my statement a bit. Just look at the example. If all cars and parts are for IGC and boost , this is how ea will make money:

Lets say a player wants elise. That one costs 400 000 IGC, you also have to be over lvl 20 to get it (i think)

Boost user lvl 1, can buy elise right a way
Free player needs to reach lvl 20, save 400k and then he can buy it.

Extreme example: Murcielago
Boost player lvl 1 just buys boost and gets the car
Free player needs to reach the max level, which takes forever, save 2 500 000 cash, and after that he can buy it.

And also there are rentals. While boost users can test drive the car before they buy it, which can save them money, Free players cant. so if they buy GTR-like-car for 1,2kk, they just lost 1 200 000 IGC (which takes forever to get again), while boost user lost not even 1 000 boost for the rental.

You see what i mean? its still hell of a difference to buy boost or play for free. People will still buy boost. Maybe more than ever.

BTW yes, there should be boost exclusive content but not something that gives you unfair advantage. Exclusive content should be sowflakes, snowflake neons, heart neons, unique vinyls and such. Boost exclusive cars should be just collectibles, not perfomance beasts. Something like koenigsegg.

So i'm level 50, i have about 8.5 million IGC and have bought all the IGC cars that i want.
Most of my friends are level 50 and in the same position, we all buy boost.
If they do what you say they will lose all of our business and all of the business of those in a similar position.
I have not bought the koenigsegg, are any of the snowflakes, i would not buy a car nor would any of my friends that i could buy for IGC

Your reason for them to do this, to lose all of this money is to make the players that don't spend anything really happy?
like i said in a previous post, they are in the business of making money not providing free entertainment

@ sosad's post before the last one:

Im glad that you finally made it clear. I think that all the arguments started from the topic Title. It looked like a general fact, not like an opinion. I always say that nobody can tell whether an opinion is right or wrong, however the first post looked like a fact, not opinion.

But as for my posts, I just ethically dont understand, how can EA behave like that. I simply cannot accept that they prefer MOAR MONEYYYZ with sad players over LOT OF MONEY with happy players.

Well then, it seems like im finished here. All misunderstandings solved.

Cya

DIAMONDDM1

I think we are arguing about different things.
You are saying free players can't complain about the game.
I disagree. Why ?
Free players use the game, they experienced the game, therefore they can talk about it, talk about things they like and dislike.
If my friends wen't to see a movie in a movie-theater, and I watched it online for free, we still saw the same movie and all our opinions would be valid because we all saw it.
Complaining about a product has nothing to do with purchasing it. It is about experiencing it.

IIINSANE wrote:DIAMONDDM1

I think we are arguing about different things.
You are saying free players can't complain about the game.
I disagree. Why ?
Free players use the game, they experienced the game, therefore they can talk about it, talk about things they like and dislike.
If my friends wen't to see a movie in a movie-theater, and I watched it online for free, we still saw the same movie and all our opinions would be valid because we all saw it.
Complaining about a product has nothing to do with purchasing it. It is about experiencing it.

The problem comes with the fact that you all complain to EA that you what this and that in the game. That is not giving an opinion.
True, you all use the game, you may have your opinions on the game. But yours rights end there.
The right to complain for the game to work in the right way, and all other stuff is only legaly legit to the customers. Have you ever studied law?
Free players in this game are not customers, they don't get customer service and have no entity to defend their rights against EA. That is only entitled to Paying Players. If you don't believe me, just go ask at yours countries "Customer Defence" entity and that is what they will tell you.
And in what comes to free stuff.
When will all of you understand that this game is a money making business, aimed at making money.
If EA doesn't make Better performing and Exclusive content available through Real Money only, people don't feel the need to buy anything they can get for free. Only a couple of lazy people would buy anything.
I think you people should take an economy degree before you keep on arguing that they would make more money if they had everything for free. You clearly have no idea the different it makes their business model. They are making tons of money because of this model, in a "Everything for free" model, they would lose somthing like 70% of their income, probably even more.

DIAMONDDM13 wrote:

IIINSANE wrote:DIAMONDDM1

I think we are arguing about different things.
You are saying free players can't complain about the game.
I disagree. Why ?
Free players use the game, they experienced the game, therefore they can talk about it, talk about things they like and dislike.
If my friends wen't to see a movie in a movie-theater, and I watched it online for free, we still saw the same movie and all our opinions would be valid because we all saw it.
Complaining about a product has nothing to do with purchasing it. It is about experiencing it.

The problem comes with the fact that you all complain to EA that you what this and that in the game. That is not giving an opinion.
True, you all use the game, you may have your opinions on the game. But yours rights end there.
The right to complain for the game to work in the right way, and all other stuff is only legaly legit to the customers. Have you ever studied law?
Free players in this game are not customers, they don't get customer service and have no entity to defend their rights against EA. That is only entitled to Paying Players. If you don't believe me, just go ask at yours countries "Customer Defence" entity and that is what they will tell you.
And in what comes to free stuff.
When will all of you understand that this game is a money making business, aimed at making money.
If EA doesn't make Better performing and Exclusive content available through Real Money only, people don't feel the need to buy anything they can get for free. Only a couple of lazy people would buy anything.
I think you people should take an economy degree before you keep on arguing that they would make more money if they had everything for free. You clearly have no idea the different it makes their business model. They are making tons of money because of this model, in a "Everything for free" model, they would lose somthing like 70% of their income, probably even more.

I am sorry you are a dumb f.ucking re.* with no common sense .... I am done

DIAMONDDM13 wrote:
That is all nice and pretty, but just like you said, EA makes more money. I wonder when will people understand this is the main thing here...

If all companies were the same size, EA's revenue from this game would be a lot smaller than others. Here quantity > quality, when it should be the other way around. Which is better? $11million from 11 million people (1:1) or $5million from 3million (1.6:1)? Note not all these are players spending money.

One thing you learn.. total revenue means nothing and is meaningless on it's own. So your argument is kinda defunct. Obvious EA and this game will make more money than.. well everybody else, but actually look at the data and it's a lot less than it should be compared to other companies. Especially for NFSW.

Still no interest in spending a cent here no matter how much I want to. Customer satisfaction > any amount of revenue. NFSW is just lucky there's nobody who can compete so have compelte market share. Sad seeing how things are being handled since a few relatively small changes would greatly increase revenue AND customer satisfaction... but I stopped caring now so whatever

EDIT: This game is currently making money through bad practices (which has been slowly improving). Change the practices, improve customer satisfaction, make the game fun for everybody no matter how much they spend, and revenue will increase a lot more

>< Should've just posted this. Deserves it's own post to keep it tidy.

http://www.crocout.com/2012/02/03/in-which-renekton-bot-discusses-free-to-play-games-and-why-companies-keep-screwing-it-all-up/

Mainly at DIAMONDDM13.. read every word of this before you give a reply. Be interesting to see what you think of it Pretty much what some of us are saying.