The Masters

MAIN.EAcom Golf Tim wrote:

ps3.gsd9999 wrote:Just remember Mike, that the people who like to play tournaments more than once are your customers too.

Unless I am missing something, I don't see where anyone is talking about removing anything from the game, simply adding to it....

gsd9999's post is one that I expected to see, sooner or later, and it's one that *may* speak for a silent majority, who are accustomed to the way the game has played for the last 4 years. They would likely want to continue to have this sort of "functionality" open to them. I can't really get a feel for how large this group is in number because it seems that we mostly hear from the hardcore Tour Mode players in forums. His is the first post we've seen in opposition to "one try" Live Tournament rounds, but I don't think we're looking at a representative sample here either.

Mike's post could be construed in two ways, which is why I asked for clarifiation in my first response. He speaks of "adding single try tournament rounds (no restarts) to the Live Tournaments feature." That could be taken to mean that they will add "one try" Live play to the already existing "multiple try" rounds, and basically make separate competitions out of them. If that's the way they do it, I personally won't have a problem with it and I can promise you that you'll never see me in a multiple try tournament, but you won't hear me complaining about them either.

OTOH, one could take Mike's post to mean that there will be some days/weeks when the overall "Daily and Weekly" starts/tries will be limited to one, depending on how they wanted to set it on the server end on that day or week. I'm sure he'll clarify this if the change is indeed feasible. We may be putting the cart before the horse in assuming that it will even be possible.

Mike, HALLELUAH if you can make this happen for TW10!!!

ps3.gsd9999 wrote:I buy a video game to play it when, and how often, I want. So please don't be forced into making changes to the game without considering the effect on large numbers of paying customers who are happy with the ability to retry tournaments.

1. A single try tournament would not prevent you from continuing to be able to play golf. You could still play that same round single player or online in a competitive match to your hearts delight. It shouldn't be such a stretch to realize that the integrity of a tournament is maintained by giving everyone 1 shot at it.

2. It doesn't take much to realize that a single-try system would allow MORE unique users to place high in a tournament. Everyone who has followed the tournament structure over the years is well aware that it is a FEW individuals who utilize the retry system to maintain regular top spots.

3. I would suggest you are well aware of these large numbers of paying customers who are happy with the retry system so now would be a good time for you to get them here and make their case. Since the issue has arose the pendulum has been almost 100% in favor of 1 try. Get those voices in here and back up your statement.

4. I do believe if the EA team can get this 1 try system in place that it will be one of the global options they can tweak. My guess is they would offer a mix of 1 try and unlimited try tourneys and then the in game feedback button will gauge interest. One thing that the "hardcore sim" enthusiasts have always been mindful of is that we want certain features added and not take away options for the enjoyment of the arcade crowd. Possibly the 1 try function can apply to tour mode tournaments only.

Possibly the 1 try function can apply to tour mode tournaments only.

Yes Fred for sure. This is certainly what I'd like to see. That way you keep the default golfers happy to shoot as many times as you want and have Tour Pro players that are by large the golf purists have 1 try only. After all Tour Pro is meant to be the most challenging game.

On this note. The online leaderboards.....will they be seperated by skill level? Or are all Live tournaments regardless of skill level accounted for and worked out giving a total of all money won?

The single-start tournaments would be in addition to the multiple restart tournaments. We are not looking to replace one with the other, but simply to offer an additional way to play based on the feedback we've received from everyone on this forum.

Thanks for clarifying that Mike!

Thanks Mike

I have lurked for a while recently, bascially trying to work out if I will buy this game for the wii (haven't got one since TW07 and didn't play that much at all).

This would be a MASSIVE selling point for me. As everyone has said before, the longevity of these games I imagine is based on online play - eg once you get bored of the actual gameplay - online can keep you going for years. I can only realisticly play one round a day (at most) after work....but at the same time I want to be competitive...not at the top but just somewhere within sight of the leaders!! I would not even bother playing online if I know that I have to have 23 goes before I can post a half competitive score. And if I don't play online then no point for me buying the game.

anyway - I really hope you manage to do this - and if it is addition to the already available options then what is there to lose? Thanks for listening to what the public are asking for....if these are available I too can promise I would never play a multiple re-start tourny.

Hello to everyone on the forums and hopefully I will stick around! Have to wait for July to get the European release, so will be interested in all the feedback.

"Rubbish post"

dude?

Gee wiz. OK for the few of us to scream and shout, but not him? Just like us, he has concerns. So???
Just like us on this matter, things are not clear. It is acknowledged that the Tour preference folks are a very small percentage of players. There is no reason, other than customer preference. Another thing that should be acknowledged is the even smaller percentage of folks who never play (???) default.
I would advise the fellow that his boat has many more passengers and is much more secure than the Tour boat! ALL ABOARD!!

cem_ea_id.TibMikeD wrote:The single-start tournaments would be in addition to the multiple restart tournaments. We are not looking to replace one with the other, but simply to offer an additional way to play based on the feedback we've received from everyone on this forum.

Well that would certainly be the most equitable and least controversial way to handle it. It will be interesting to see how the scores for each tournament compare each day. Thanks for clarifying that so quickly Mike!

hooray for considering the one try idea..for me,tony,oblong,and others this will making it more challengeng and fun..i also like that your keep the missed cut for the live tournys.this is going to be some good challenging fun for me..now if the swing was tweak some like yall did in 08 that would be a blast..cuz in tour 08 i was shooting in the mid 60's to 80's on some days..i think yall are going in the right direction but still need some minor improvements..

"...offer an additional way..."

Will there be an asterisk explaining the scores? Will both types of play be listed on the same scoreboard?
I know by scrolling wayyy down, we'll be able to find the 1 try'ers!! lol
Not too sure about the asterisk. I don't think multi starts will want their scores "qualified"

MAIN.EAcom Golf Tim wrote:

ps3.gsd9999 wrote:Just remember Mike, that the people who like to play tournaments more than once are your customers too.

Unless I am missing something, I don't see where anyone is talking about removing anything from the game, simply adding to it....

What you, and the others, seem to be advocating is that EA should create a part of the game that only your own select band of brothers will be good enough to play.

To me that means when I buy the game I'm paying for the development of pasrt of the game I may never be good enough to play. If you get your way, there will be a significant part of the game that might never be accessable to a large number of customers.

I don't happen to think that's right.

xbox.the 2 scorpians wrote:

ps3.gsd9999 wrote:Just remember Mike, that the people who like to play tournaments more than once are your customers too. Just because a small cabal of "Hardcore" players have been badgering you to make these tournaments single try, does not mean that the majority of your customers want it too.

I buy a video game to play it when, and how often, I want. So please don't be forced into making changes to the game without considering the effect on large numbers of paying customers who are happy with the ability to retry tournaments.

If you make the game too inaccessible, or too hard, people may stop buying the game.

Rubbish post

Thank you for your insightful feedback.

I don't know, maybe you didn't catch my post above.
You really are off base. Given the 10 year history, you don't seriously think that Easy or Balanced type play will ever be in jeopardy, do you?
Is it ok for anyone to say, I'll never play Sawgrass, or I'll never wear shorts, or I'll never play this or that so, leave it out? Of course not.
Your mode of play is quite secure! Please read, not just my post but Mike's who said this would be in ADDITION too!
c'mon now...straighten up! lol!

are there any other games you own that have skill levels?? Surely you do not play DOOM on insane??!! HEY! It's a yoke! It's only of yoke!!!

ps3.gsd9999 wrote:What you, and the others, seem to be advocating is that EA should create a part of the game that only your own select band of brothers will be good enough to play.

To me that means when I buy the game I'm paying for the development of pasrt of the game I may never be good enough to play. If you get your way, there will be a significant part of the game that might never be accessable to a large number of customers.

Now this is a stretch... but let me try to apply your reasoning to something in my experience. I'm not good enough at playing NBA 2K9 to make it to the playoffs in season mode, so I therefore have paid for the development of a part of the game that I might never get to play... and that's somehow "unfair"? I'm sorry, but that dawg won't hunt!

xbox.BUC KRAZY wrote:I don't know, maybe you didn't catch my post above.
You really are off base. Given the 10 year history, you don't seriously think that Easy or Balanced type play will ever be in jeopardy, do you?
Is it ok for anyone to say, I'll never play Sawgrass, or I'll never wear shorts, or I'll never play this or that so, leave it out? Of course not.
Your mode of play is quite secure! Please read, not just my post but Mike's who said this would be in ADDITION too!
c'mon now...straighten up! lol!

are there any other games you own that have skill levels?? Surely you do not play DOOM on insane??!! HEY! It's a yoke! It's only of yoke!!!

My post was before I read Mike's new information.

As for one try dailies, I really don't see the justification for preventing anyone from playing more than once.

You perhaps need to understand that I play mostly in tour pro mode. I find that mode more satisfying than the others that are currently available. The thing about the current tour pro mode, is that it is not impossible for an ordinary player to play a decent round in that mode.

However, some of the things being proposed are likely to be beyond my skill. I felt it necessary to make the point that this game is enjoyed by a wider variety of players that just the very vocal "usual suspects" who want to make the hardest level to be as hard as the game can make it. The same goes for one try dailies. I don't really have a problem with this as long as it by the players choosing to set the game options. I just don't see that it is a good idea to make it compulsory for everyone else.

Even in the current game, you can turn off putt preview, spin, power, green grid etc. My objection is really that it would be unfair to make those difficulty settings a mandatory part of the game for any given game type. If you as a player want to put the game settings to the hardest possible, that's OK by me.

As for other games I play. The only two I play regularly are TW and World Snooker. I tried COD4, Grand Turismo, Motor Storm, Colin McRae Dirt and a few others. I guess I'm just not up to the challenge on these games. I was never able to get anywhere near to the finish of these games, so I just stopped playing them. They ended up in the local charity shop.

Maybe it's my age or maybe it's the arthritis in my hands, but TW and World Snooker are the only two which I have been able to get the full experience from. This has meant that I have, and will probably continue, to buy the new versions when they come out. As long as EA continues to make a game where I can play the hardest level with some success, and play all parts of the game as often as I like, I'll keep buying the game. I just don't like the idea of a part of the game being put out of my reach.