The Masters

cem_ea_id.cardiacmerro wrote:why is republic of ireland excluded from champions of gaming we are part of europe

Likely due to some sort of Irish gaming law that prevents EA from offering the opportunity to Irish users. You would have to contact EA's legal department for the appropriate answer.

xbox.Exigos Mortis wrote:Cool, now that there are prizes, the fact that people will 'play the game their own way' will have a potential impact on me.

The leader boards are and have been full of cheesers and cheaters and now they have a chance to be rewarded for it. AWESOME JOB.


EDIT: Yeah, go ahead... accuse me of just being bitter or whatever because you think I have the "I am not able to post the super-low scores therefore those who are must be cheating." attitude.

But watch, time will tell. I have any money that the guy who wins buy posting a -29 to-32 doesn't even come close to that score at the Gaming Global Finals when someone is watching them.

I haven't read any of the specifics or seen any of the tournaments up, but, if you get 0 winds a -30 is not hard at all to do and requires no mapping whatsoever.

If they make people use the 360 controller and/or keep the wind and settings on the d/l then I agree...no one will get near those numbers.

Anyway...as for why this is exclusive to the 360. Don't know why anyone is surprised. 360 sells the most games, the most consoles...they have the biggest market share this generation (between what I consider the 2 real next gen consoles). Peter Moore used to run the 360 division...he just happens to run the EA sports division of Electronic Arts. Do the math.

Aren't most EA Sports titles built for the 360 and ported over to the PS3 anyway?

Wow, I think I've seen it all and then this...

In the week 2 qualifying at Oakmont, the current North American low score is -36 under. 7 aces, 2 double eagles, 4 eagles, and 5 birdies. The event has Live weather so obviously there was a 1 wind at some point. Mapping is something EA really needs to address in the future because this is absolutely no indication of skill.

xbox.Oblong wrote:Wow, I think I've seen it all and then this...

In the week 2 qualifying at Oakmont, the current North American low score is -36 under. 7 aces, 2 double eagles, 4 eagles, and 5 birdies. The event has Live weather so obviously there was a 1 wind at some point. Mapping is something EA really needs to address in the future because this is absolutely no indication of skill.

It's not that it involves no skill - to shoot -36 (even with mapping) you have to be one helluva player. The problem is that people get the chance to replicate rounds in the first place - that's the real issue. Why didn't EA make this a single try event with random winds between 1-5 mph? - that would have at least brought the top scores down to about -31/-32.

And for anyone out there who says "I could shoot -36 under if I bothered to map a course" - I urge you to go and try it and see how hard it is. I think some of you out there think it's a little bit easier than it really is.

You could be right, pg, as I will say that I've never attempted to map a course. I am basing this on my heavy participation in Gamernet challenges last year where anyone could match difficult shots posted by merely repeating and making slight corrections until success was achieved.

In my mind, mapping a course is no different. It's basically an exercise in time spent and skill would only shorten the time needed to figure out each hole. Obviously you'd still have to be able to put that together for 18 holes and hit your %'s so I suspect you could call that skill.

But I think we are both in agreement that these challenges should be 1-shot, no retries, and variable winds...then they'd have a much better indication of who is most deserving to move on to the finals (even though still not perfect).

xbox.Oblong wrote:You could be right, pg, as I will say that I've never attempted to map a course. I am basing this on my heavy participation in Gamernet challenges last year where anyone could match difficult shots posted by merely repeating and making slight corrections until success was achieved.

In my mind, mapping a course is no different. It's basically an exercise in time spent and skill would only shorten the time needed to figure out each hole. Obviously you'd still have to be able to put that together for 18 holes and hit your %'s so I suspect you could call that skill.

But I think we are both in agreement that these challenges should be 1-shot, no retries, and variable winds...then they'd have a much better indication of who is most deserving to move on to the finals (even though still not perfect).

Yeah, definitely. Especially since there is a great prize at stake. It doesn't really make sense that it is not considering the title of the event is "Champions of Gaming".

One thing I would say is though, in the single try dailies pretty much all the same players who map courses and repeat events multiple times still win (on the 360 anyway), which says to me they are damn good players regardless (unless of course they are using multiple accounts and gamernet to get round the single try aspect....).

All this talk of Tiger is depressing me - I sold my copy earlier this week coz I needed the cash. Think I'll go out and buy another copy next week.

Ok, so does anyone know how the qualifying works?

Those super TW players that finished in the top 10 last week (and therefore already qualifying for the knockouts).....those guys don't need to qualify again, since they've already done it?

Is that right?

As if this thing is running for 7 weeks, it means that when you come to week 6 or 7, it'll give the rest of us mortals a chance to qualify too?

I've only just come back to TW (I blame Fifa and Forza ripping my life away) - and boy do I need to get some practise in....I used to be quite good lol

That is correct, you can only qualify once. Anyone who qualifies will not be considered in any following weeks scoring. Hopefully those that have qualified won't retry and muck up the leaderboards.

xbox.Oblong wrote:That is correct, you can only qualify once. Anyone who qualifies will not be considered in any following weeks scoring. Hopefully those that have qualified won't retry and muck up the leaderboards.

I can not IMAGINE any one circumventing the qualifying RULES or the game play, just to place higher on a the Leaderboard or to have retries to get a couple of strokes better in placement

Wishful thinking there Ob, I'm not sure who qualified last week from Europe...but I'm pretty sure the same names will be in the top 10 in Week 2, unless EA block them from trying.

EA really ought to block any player that's already qualified from submitting a score in the remaining tournaments. That would make the leaderboards more straightforward?

It shouldn't really make any difference - all EA need to do is discount the submissions of those who have already qualified & move the next legitimate qualifier up the leaderboard to take their place in the top 10.

Can't imagine that being too much of a logistical nightmare....

Of course it's no logistical nightmare for EA to sort out. But on the user end having to go through previous weeks score to see if their 16th place in week 7 is good enough to qualify is a bit of a bother.

The other potential issue I don't even want to really talk about is the same person using multiple gamertags/PSN id's to muck up the standings. I would like to think EA would disqualify those who do that. It's just a little ridiculous for those who do qualify to not step aside and allow others the same enjoyment they had of seeing themselves in the Top 10 unadulterated.

xbox.Oblong wrote:Of course it's no logistical nightmare for EA to sort out. But on the user end having to go through previous weeks score to see if their 16th place in week 7 is good enough to qualify is a bit of a bother.

The other potential issue I don't even want to really talk about is the same person using multiple gamertags/PSN id's to muck up the standings. I would like to think EA would disqualify those who do that. It's just a little ridiculous for those who do qualify to not step aside and allow others the same enjoyment they had of seeing themselves in the Top 10 unadulterated.

You are looking for sportsmanship of play that is lacking in this game

xbox.private grandad wrote:

xbox.Oblong wrote:You could be right, pg, as I will say that I've never attempted to map a course. I am basing this on my heavy participation in Gamernet challenges last year where anyone could match difficult shots posted by merely repeating and making slight corrections until success was achieved.

In my mind, mapping a course is no different. It's basically an exercise in time spent and skill would only shorten the time needed to figure out each hole. Obviously you'd still have to be able to put that together for 18 holes and hit your %'s so I suspect you could call that skill.

But I think we are both in agreement that these challenges should be 1-shot, no retries, and variable winds...then they'd have a much better indication of who is most deserving to move on to the finals (even though still not perfect).

Yeah, definitely. Especially since there is a great prize at stake. It doesn't really make sense that it is not considering the title of the event is "Champions of Gaming".

One thing I would say is though, in the single try dailies pretty much all the same players who map courses and repeat events multiple times still win (on the 360 anyway), which says to me they are damn good players regardless (unless of course they are using multiple accounts and gamernet to get round the single try aspect....).

All this talk of Tiger is depressing me - I sold my copy earlier this week coz I needed the cash. Think I'll go out and buy another copy next week.

I gotta completely disagree with that pg. There is a handful of people on the ps3 side who are on top of the leaderboards every day and never play PvP. Those same people were always 2-3 strokes behind me on the king of the hill tournaments due to single try. They also rarely make the top 5 on single try's. There have been a couple times that i have played head to head with a self proclaimed "elite" player who always is at the top of the tourny's and i gotta say i have never lost to them. Keep in mind i am no handsward, i just rarely make mistakes. The single try tourny's with truely random wind will put the best players on top consistantly.

cem_ea_id.cocarr wrote:

I gotta completely disagree with that pg. There is a handful of people on the ps3 side who are on top of the leaderboards every day and never play PvP. Those same people were always 2-3 strokes behind me on the king of the hill tournaments due to single try. They also rarely make the top 5 on single try's. There have been a couple times that i have played head to head with a self proclaimed "elite" player who always is at the top of the tourny's and i gotta say i have never lost to them. Keep in mind i am no handsward, i just rarely make mistakes. The single try tourny's with truely random wind will put the best players on top consistantly.

I can't speak for the ps3 side and did state in my post I was referring to the xbox360 side. More often than not I notice that the guys who tear up the daily am with scores of 28-35 under are the same guys who win the single try events, or at least place in the top 10. This says to me they are excellent players regardless of the dubious methods they employ to win/place high at all costs. I regard myself as a very good player who has played the series since TW01, but I really think I would struggle to consistently shoot -30 or better even if I did have a turbo pad or bothered to map. I used one in TW05 and did break 40 on two or three courses but that was when we had the big blue hook drives.

Mind you, give a few of them a stock controller and I would fancy my chances against (some) of them.