Terrible gameplan by Kos. He really can't think he's just gonna catch GSP with that right hand. He's crazy not to use his wrestling. Even if he can't get the takedown he'd pressuring GSP and could possibly steal a round.

god i was hoping that doctor wouldnt stop the fight and kos is ganna use his foot/toe as an excuse when he loses.

There is no doubt GSP is the P4P top fighter in the world now. Anderson is nowhere near that level.

The only guy I thought that may have a chance to beat him just got destroyed easily. GSP might not ever lose again.

DOMINATION by GSP. Nice Jab hehe

Very technically sound fight by GSP, like Rogan was saying, he really showed the MMA world that the jab is very very important. Hope you were watchin that Devs of MMA 2

I think Georges needs to just go up to MW now. A Shields fight isn't even interesting anymore after the destruction he just put on Kos. I'd say put him in there vs Okami and have the winner fight Anderson.

MAIN.Butterbean569 wrote:Very technically sound fight by GSP, like Rogan was saying, he really showed the MMA world that the jab is very very important. Hope you were watchin that Devs of MMA 2

Boiler you are so full of it sometimes man. I saw you using the shotgun jab and check left hook in LB. What you talkin about Willis!

xbox.jbrock11 wrote:There is no doubt GSP is the P4P top fighter in the world now. Anderson is nowhere near that level.

The only guy I thought that may have a chance to beat him just got destroyed easily. GSP might not ever lose again.

He'll lose at some point, they all do. Nobody can keep it going forever. Right now I would agree that GSP is the best p4p overall -but I've felt that way for a few fights now. Silva is still amazing in his own right though, his comeback win Vs Sonnen after getting his *ss kicked for 4 1/2 rounds was pretty amazing, only true champions can pull that kind of stuff off and show that kind of heart. Most fighters would have been demoralized after the 1st 3 rounds and just accepted -Silva never stopped trying.

On a side note, I was hoping that GSP would announce his move up to MW to challenge Silva -he's been dropping hints since the TUF show that after his fight with Kos, he was going to open up a new chapter in 'iz car-reer.

And if he is going to stick around at WW, I would love to see a GSP-Carlos Condit fight if Condit can beat Lytle. I don't really know if Condit could beat GSP, but I have wanted to see this fight since Condit was owning the WEC WW division. GSP would have the all-around edge -but Condit is more dangerous than GSP from a damaging standpoint in a fight (imo).

And even though I have never thought much of Jake Shields personally, the dude has won around 14 fights in a row, and I'd love to see; GSP -Shields as well. It would be awesome to see GSP be the guy to end that winning streak that Jake has.

xbox.jbrock11 wrote:There is no doubt GSP is the P4P top fighter in the world now. Anderson is nowhere near that level.

The only guy I thought that may have a chance to beat him just got destroyed easily. GSP might not ever lose again.

I like aldo for p4p more than him as well as Shogun, who doesn't get much recognition in the p4p department due to his weight class. Kos used an incredibly stupid gameplan, GSP could barely even take him down. That fight could have gone a lot differently if Kos wrestled more.
I think the reason gsp looked so good in that fight was because he is very technical and Kos is very... not. The reason gsp has been champion for so long is his incredible well roundedness. He's not the best WW at any aspect but If you're a fighter in the ufc WW division, i can pretty much guarantee he's better than you at something. He could not have outstruck BJ (who IMHO won the 1st), Alves, or Hardy. But he could take them down (Although BJ was very impressive with his defence until he tired). He could not have out wrestled KOS and I most certainly guarantee he will NOT out grapple Shields. I believe shields could take their fight (there will be a fight bt/w these 2). Shields is smart, he wont put all his eggs into his right hand. Even though I hate shields with a friggin passion I hope he takes this fight.
One big reason I don't like gsp for p4p is because he is not really a good striker, I mean sure the KOS fight was a clinic, but there are many WW's who would eat him in a stand up match. You look at Aldo, the guy I figured might finally dethrone him (Gambo, who is one of my fav fighters and I hoped sooo much he would take that fight)... well didnt. As with shogun, he has immaculate striking.

I'll end this much longer than I intended reply, by stating that I'd be very interested in GSP-Kampmann, or Thiago if he had better TD def.

cem_ea_id.MasterEnemy2 wrote:

xbox.jbrock11 wrote:There is no doubt GSP is the P4P top fighter in the world now. Anderson is nowhere near that level.

The only guy I thought that may have a chance to beat him just got destroyed easily. GSP might not ever lose again.

He'll lose at some point, they all do. Nobody can keep it going forever. Right now I would agree that GSP is the best p4p overall -but I've felt that way for a few fights now. Silva is still amazing in his own right though, his comeback win Vs Sonnen after getting his *ss kicked for 4 1/2 rounds was pretty amazing, only true champions can pull that kind of stuff off and show that kind of heart. Most fighters would have been demoralized after the 1st 3 rounds and just accepted -Silva never stopped trying.

On a side note, I was hoping that GSP would announce his move up to MW to challenge Silva -he's been dropping hints since the TUF show that after his fight with Kos, he was going to open up a new chapter in 'iz car-reer.

And if he is going to stick around at WW, I would love to see a GSP-Carlos Condit fight if Condit can beat Lytle. I don't really know if Condit could beat GSP, but I have wanted to see this fight since Condit was owning the WEC WW division. GSP would have the all-around edge -but Condit is more dangerous than GSP from a damaging standpoint in a fight (imo).

And even though I have never thought much of Jake Shields personally, the dude has won around 14 fights in a row, and I'd love to see; GSP -Shields as well. It would be awesome to see GSP be the guy to end that winning streak that Jake has.

I just really don't think another fight a WW makes sense. He has destroyed the best striker (Alves) and the best wrestler (Kos). I really don't see Condit putting up much of a fight as his TDD has been suspect in the past. I really don't see Shields putting up much of a fight either because he has virtually no skills when it comes to striking. It's gonna take an extremely well rounded guy to beat GSP and I really don't see a guy like that at WW or MW to be honest.

However, I think a fight with Okami would be really interesting. It would give GSP a chance to get acclimated to the weight and have some experience at MW under his belt before fighting Anderson (or Vitor).

I thought GSP was the number one P4P before but he has shot to a new level if that's even possible. No question whatsoever about him being the best in the sport right now.

xbox.jbrock11 wrote:

cem_ea_id.MasterEnemy2 wrote:

xbox.jbrock11 wrote:There is no doubt GSP is the P4P top fighter in the world now. Anderson is nowhere near that level.

The only guy I thought that may have a chance to beat him just got destroyed easily. GSP might not ever lose again.

He'll lose at some point, they all do. Nobody can keep it going forever. Right now I would agree that GSP is the best p4p overall -but I've felt that way for a few fights now. Silva is still amazing in his own right though, his comeback win Vs Sonnen after getting his *ss kicked for 4 1/2 rounds was pretty amazing, only true champions can pull that kind of stuff off and show that kind of heart. Most fighters would have been demoralized after the 1st 3 rounds and just accepted -Silva never stopped trying.

On a side note, I was hoping that GSP would announce his move up to MW to challenge Silva -he's been dropping hints since the TUF show that after his fight with Kos, he was going to open up a new chapter in 'iz car-reer.

And if he is going to stick around at WW, I would love to see a GSP-Carlos Condit fight if Condit can beat Lytle. I don't really know if Condit could beat GSP, but I have wanted to see this fight since Condit was owning the WEC WW division. GSP would have the all-around edge -but Condit is more dangerous than GSP from a damaging standpoint in a fight (imo).

And even though I have never thought much of Jake Shields personally, the dude has won around 14 fights in a row, and I'd love to see; GSP -Shields as well. It would be awesome to see GSP be the guy to end that winning streak that Jake has.

I really don't see Shields putting up much of a fight either because he has virtually no skills when it comes to striking.

GSP's striking is not very good either.

xbox.Go Leafs Go RAW wrote:

xbox.jbrock11 wrote:There is no doubt GSP is the P4P top fighter in the world now. Anderson is nowhere near that level.

The only guy I thought that may have a chance to beat him just got destroyed easily. GSP might not ever lose again.

I like aldo for p4p more than him as well as Shogun, who doesn't get much recognition in the p4p department due to his weight class. Kos used an incredibly stupid gameplan, GSP could barely even take him down. That fight could have gone a lot differently if Kos wrestled more.
I think the reason gsp looked so good in that fight was because he is very technical and Kos is very... not. The reason gsp has been champion for so long is his incredible well roundedness. He's not the best WW at any aspect but If you're a fighter in the ufc WW division, i can pretty much guarantee he's better than you at something. He could not have outstruck BJ (who IMHO won the 1st), Alves, or Hardy. But he could take them down (Although BJ was very impressive with his defence until he tired). He could not have out wrestled KOS and I most certainly guarantee he will NOT out grapple Shields. I believe shields could take their fight (there will be a fight bt/w these 2). Shields is smart, he wont put all his eggs into his right hand. Even though I hate shields with a friggin passion I hope he takes this fight.
One big reason I don't like gsp for p4p is because he is not really a good striker, I mean sure the KOS fight was a clinic, but there are many WW's who would eat him in a stand up match. You look at Aldo, the guy I figured might finally dethrone him (Gambo, who is one of my fav fighters and I hoped sooo much he would take that fight)... well didnt. As with shogun, he has immaculate striking.

I'll end this much longer than I intended reply, by stating that I'd be very interested in GSP-Kampmann, or Thiago if he had better TD def.

I like Aldo as well but for number 2 P4P not 1. It's hard to argue with GSP being at the top seeing as how he's beaten a murderers row at WW. I actually put Aldo in front of Anderson though because IMO Anderson's hole in his wrestling game is way too big for him to be considered a top fighter in the world.

I agree that Kos' gameplan was pretty stupid if in fact his gameplan was to try and land the right hand and thats it. I thought he'd try to go out and use the same type of gameplan he did against Paul Daley. Even if he couldn't get the takedown, he'd be the aggressor and nullify a lot of GSP's game. Although, it's hard to argue with a win either way for GSP.

As for GSP not being all that great of a striker I kinda agree and disagree. He's definitely not a good pure striker as I think he'd get owned in a pure boxing or pure thai boxing match. However, in MMA he keeps guys so off balance that he can basically do whatever he wants to them in the stand up department. In his case, he doesn't have to be the greatest striker in the world to get results in the stand up game.

I really don't see Condit putting up much of a fight as his TDD has been suspect in the past.

It's gonna take an extremely well rounded guy to beat GSP and I really don't see a guy like that at WW or MW to be honest.

-Brock

I agree that well rounded is always the way to go. However, there is an X factor (well, really 2 X-factors that Condit would bring into a fight like this). That, and Carlos does happen to be very well rounded:

The 1st is, Condit is dangerous. Now, think about this for a second, Condit isn't the best technical striker, nor grappler, but what he does bring with him into any fight is that ability to 'catch' you with either a sub, OR strike and hurt you. Condit has 31 fights under his belt -26 of them are wins, and only ONE of his victories has been by decision -that is not by accident. The dude has a 99% 'finish' rate for his victories (or damn close to it). So that is something that would factor into this fight, and something that really can't be accounted for. Condit is actually quite well rounded too BTW; 12 of those wins are TKO/KO's, and 13 are subs. I'll agree that Condit has huge holes in his game, but he makes up for it by having a very tough chin -and lethal knees/hands to counter with, and a very dangerous ground game from his back.

The 2nd X-factor for me here with Carlos is that he's a formwer Champion of a major org himself -and he not only had a few successfull title defenses, but he never lost that belt. Carlos knows how to beat a champion -and how to perform like one as well. I really don't think you'd see Carlos get into the cage with GSP -or anyone- and be intimidated, or fight their fight, which is very important when you're fighting a: Fedor-GSP-Anderson Silva type. Carlos is a guy that I see going out on his shield so to speak.

Evene though Condit is probably my favorite fighter; I won't say that Carlos would win, or that he's even a bettter fighter than GSP -because I'd be lying (and I really don't predict outcomes of fights, you should know that by now wth me). But I will say that I think he has a chance to beat a guy like GSP because of the above mentioned factors. And a chance is all you need in any fight.

I like aldo for p4p more than him as well as Shogun, who doesn't get much recognition in the p4p department due to his weight class.

-Leafs

Aldo hasn't beaten nearly enough quality opponents to prove he's #1 p4p overall right now. And Rua hasn't beaten enough -or put togehter any sort of recent win record to even come close to GSP here either.

GSP has won 8 in a row at this point, hasn't lost since 2007, and only has 1 loss since 2005. Not to mention, he's beaten at least 7 top-10 fighters in a row now. GSP is on an unbeivable streak right now, the only streak thats more impressive -though that depends on how you argue it I suppose- is Anderson Silva.

GSP could barely even take him down. That fight could have gone a lot differently if Kos wrestled more.

1st off, GSP DOMINATED Kos in the wrestling world in their 1st fight, so I personally don't think it would have mattered there. 2nd, lets not act as if this fight didn't once go to the floor, Kos did get a TD on GSP in this fight, wound up on top, and GSP was able to get back up/reverse the situation anyways.

This is usually how match-ups like this go -whenever 2 grapplers meet in the MMA world, it has a tendency to wind up a striking match because the grappling is a stalemate. Its likewise with strikers sometimes in that they will wind up wrestling around on the floor instead of trading shots lol.

xbox.jbrock11 wrote:

xbox.Go Leafs Go RAW wrote:

xbox.jbrock11 wrote:There is no doubt GSP is the P4P top fighter in the world now. Anderson is nowhere near that level.

The only guy I thought that may have a chance to beat him just got destroyed easily. GSP might not ever lose again.

I like aldo for p4p more than him as well as Shogun, who doesn't get much recognition in the p4p department due to his weight class. Kos used an incredibly stupid gameplan, GSP could barely even take him down. That fight could have gone a lot differently if Kos wrestled more.
I think the reason gsp looked so good in that fight was because he is very technical and Kos is very... not. The reason gsp has been champion for so long is his incredible well roundedness. He's not the best WW at any aspect but If you're a fighter in the ufc WW division, i can pretty much guarantee he's better than you at something. He could not have outstruck BJ (who IMHO won the 1st), Alves, or Hardy. But he could take them down (Although BJ was very impressive with his defence until he tired). He could not have out wrestled KOS and I most certainly guarantee he will NOT out grapple Shields. I believe shields could take their fight (there will be a fight bt/w these 2). Shields is smart, he wont put all his eggs into his right hand. Even though I hate shields with a friggin passion I hope he takes this fight.
One big reason I don't like gsp for p4p is because he is not really a good striker, I mean sure the KOS fight was a clinic, but there are many WW's who would eat him in a stand up match. You look at Aldo, the guy I figured might finally dethrone him (Gambo, who is one of my fav fighters and I hoped sooo much he would take that fight)... well didnt. As with shogun, he has immaculate striking.

I'll end this much longer than I intended reply, by stating that I'd be very interested in GSP-Kampmann, or Thiago if he had better TD def.

I like Aldo as well but for number 2 P4P not 1. It's hard to argue with GSP being at the top seeing as how he's beaten a murderers row at WW. I actually put Aldo in front of Anderson though because IMO Anderson's hole in his wrestling game is way too big for him to be considered a top fighter in the world.

I agree that Kos' gameplan was pretty stupid if in fact his gameplan was to try and land the right hand and thats it. I thought he'd try to go out and use the same type of gameplan he did against Paul Daley. Even if he couldn't get the takedown, he'd be the aggressor and nullify a lot of GSP's game. Although, it's hard to argue with a win either way for GSP.

As for GSP not being all that great of a striker I kinda agree and disagree. He's definitely not a good pure striker as I think he'd get owned in a pure boxing or pure thai boxing match. However, in MMA he keeps guys so off balance that he can basically do whatever he wants to them in the stand up department. In his case, he doesn't have to be the greatest striker in the world to get results in the stand up game.

Your right, he doesn't have to be the greatest striker. But I think in the Shields fight, GSP's grappling is pretty much null and void, it'l be interesting to see how/if shield's striking has improved. IMO all he needs to have with his striking to beat GSP is technique. GSP does not 1 hit ko ppl, as long as shields can avoid being picked apart on the feet, I think he has quite a good chance. Also he is definately a much stronger grappler than GSP and If he can take him down, GSP would be in trouble. Really I think the perfect guy to beat GSP would be a little bigger, stronger BJ Penn with more cardio. Actually with p4p list id put shogun 1 aldo 2 gsp 3. I dont think silva should be up there at all.

But I think in the Shields fight, GSP's grappling is pretty much null and void,

-Leafs

Not when you add gNp into the mix. That, and you can't count the fact that GSP lost to Shields all the way back in what, 2004? In some grappling comp. GSP isn't even close to the same animal he was then. And Shields hasn't really evolved much since then.

I can see GSP outfighting Jake on the ground in an MMA fight.