No he's not. I am not saying that an 'elite' MMA striker is better than an 'elite' striker from another sport. I am simply saying that beating a guy in a different contact sport means not a whole lots in terms of what you are in an MMA fight.

You: "With the proper prep time for Shogun? Yes, I absolutely think the dude could compete in K-1."

What is proper prep time, a couple of years? I'm not talking about troll boy hypotheticals, I'm talking real life here. If Shogun were to go to K-1 right now he would get owned.

The reason Mousasi stands a chance and Shogun (or the majority of everyone in MMA) doesn't is because Mousasi has been training his stand up at a high level for a long time. He was an amateur boxing champion of the NETHERLANDS and he's 4-0 as a professional kickboxer with a dominant win over a legend like Musashi. He's also been training with Thom Harinck and the guys at Chakuriki for over a year and I STILL put him as an underdog to Kyotaro. Shogun would be absolutely obliterated.

I'm enjoying reading the rhetorical nonsense

Lol, like "Chuck countered Overeem and knocked him out". Come on bro, it's either one of two things with you.
1. You don't watch the fights
2. You have no idea what your watching

Solution for 1.
A good MMA pirate site.

Solution for 2.
Go train for yourself or watch some dam* instructionals

Both of those will keep you from getting destroyed on forums because no one is gonna take you seriously and you just make yourself look like an idiot.

dbl post

trpl post

and THIS is why i hold off on discussing ANY potential fight of Fedor's...

the fight is in danger b/c...wait for it...huge surprise coming...


















































M-1 & ANOTHER ROUND of RE-NEGOTIATIONS !!!!!!!... ...

http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/12/20/ongoing-contract-negotiations-nix-fedor-emelianenko-from-january/

With contract negotiations still ongoing, Fedor Emelianenko will not be a part of Strikeforce's January 29 event, a Strikeforce representative has confirmed to MMA Fighting.

A match pitting Emelianenko against Antonio "Bigfoot" Silva in San Jose, California on that date had been proposed as a possibility by several news outlets, but it's not going to happen, according to Strikeforce director of communications Mike Afromowitz.

Emelianenko fought just once during calendar year 2010, for a grand total of 69 seconds, losing via triangle/armbar to Fabricio Werdum in what is likely the upset of the year.

Since then, Emelianenko's M-1 representatives have been engaged in contract extension talks with Strikeforce in hopes of a new deal, but the sides have been unable to reach terms. Emelianenko has one bout remaining on his current deal.

Last week it seemed a breakthrough was near as multiple sites reported a possible Emelianenko-Silva matchup, but even then, sources told MMA Fighting it was not a done deal. When Dec. 18 came and went without an announcement, it was clear the likelihood of the fight happening was remote. (The Dec. 18 date was important as it marked six weeks from Jan. 29, and was essentially the date by which Emelianenko would need to begin training camp.)

Though both sides remain hopeful an agreement can be reached soon, the passing of the Jan. 29 date is meaningful since it will mean Emelianenko has fought just three times in the two years from his Jan. 24, 2009 fight with Andrei Arlovski.

Reached last week by MMA Fighting, M-1 rep Evgeni Kogan declined comment on contract talks except to say, "We're all hoping to see Fedor in action as soon as possible."

How could we possibly forget about 'the fight' BEFORE the fight????

there is NO belt on the line, (IMO) coker needs to make them fight under the current deal...or wash his hands of M-1 and BE DONE w/them...

and THIS is why i hold off on discussing ANY potential fight of Fedor's...

the fight is in danger b/c...wait for it...huge surprise coming...


















































M-1 & ANOTHER ROUND of RE-NEGOTIATIONS !!!!!!!... ...

http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/12/20/ongoing-contract-negotiations-nix-fedor-emelianenko-from-january/

With contract negotiations still ongoing, Fedor Emelianenko will not be a part of Strikeforce's January 29 event, a Strikeforce representative has confirmed to MMA Fighting.

A match pitting Emelianenko against Antonio "Bigfoot" Silva in San Jose, California on that date had been proposed as a possibility by several news outlets, but it's not going to happen, according to Strikeforce director of communications Mike Afromowitz.

Emelianenko fought just once during calendar year 2010, for a grand total of 69 seconds, losing via triangle/armbar to Fabricio Werdum in what is likely the upset of the year.

Since then, Emelianenko's M-1 representatives have been engaged in contract extension talks with Strikeforce in hopes of a new deal, but the sides have been unable to reach terms. Emelianenko has one bout remaining on his current deal.

Last week it seemed a breakthrough was near as multiple sites reported a possible Emelianenko-Silva matchup, but even then, sources told MMA Fighting it was not a done deal. When Dec. 18 came and went without an announcement, it was clear the likelihood of the fight happening was remote. (The Dec. 18 date was important as it marked six weeks from Jan. 29, and was essentially the date by which Emelianenko would need to begin training camp.)

Though both sides remain hopeful an agreement can be reached soon, the passing of the Jan. 29 date is meaningful since it will mean Emelianenko has fought just three times in the two years from his Jan. 24, 2009 fight with Andrei Arlovski.

Reached last week by MMA Fighting, M-1 rep Evgeni Kogan declined comment on contract talks except to say, "We're all hoping to see Fedor in action as soon as possible."

We should all know better by now...

How could we possibly forget about 'the fight' BEFORE the fight????

there is NO belt on the line, (IMO) coker needs to make them fight under the current deal...or wash his hands of M-1 and BE DONE w/them...

cem_ea_id.projectxMaYHeM wrote:and THIS is why i hold off on discussing ANY potential fight of Fedor's...

the fight is in danger b/c...wait for it...huge surprise coming...

M-1 & ANOTHER ROUND of RE-NEGOTIATIONS !!!!!!!... ...

http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/12/20/ongoing-contract-negotiations-nix-fedor-emelianenko-from-january/

With contract negotiations still ongoing, Fedor Emelianenko will not be a part of Strikeforce's January 29 event, a Strikeforce representative has confirmed to MMA Fighting.

A match pitting Emelianenko against Antonio "Bigfoot" Silva in San Jose, California on that date had been proposed as a possibility by several news outlets, but it's not going to happen, according to Strikeforce director of communications Mike Afromowitz.

Emelianenko fought just once during calendar year 2010, for a grand total of 69 seconds, losing via triangle/armbar to Fabricio Werdum in what is likely the upset of the year.

Since then, Emelianenko's M-1 representatives have been engaged in contract extension talks with Strikeforce in hopes of a new deal, but the sides have been unable to reach terms. Emelianenko has one bout remaining on his current deal.

Last week it seemed a breakthrough was near as multiple sites reported a possible Emelianenko-Silva matchup, but even then, sources told MMA Fighting it was not a done deal. When Dec. 18 came and went without an announcement, it was clear the likelihood of the fight happening was remote. (The Dec. 18 date was important as it marked six weeks from Jan. 29, and was essentially the date by which Emelianenko would need to begin training camp.)

Though both sides remain hopeful an agreement can be reached soon, the passing of the Jan. 29 date is meaningful since it will mean Emelianenko has fought just three times in the two years from his Jan. 24, 2009 fight with Andrei Arlovski.

Reached last week by MMA Fighting, M-1 rep Evgeni Kogan declined comment on contract talks except to say, "We're all hoping to see Fedor in action as soon as possible."

We should all know better by now...

How could we possibly forget about 'the fight' BEFORE the fight????

there is NO belt on the line, (IMO) coker needs to make them fight under the current deal...or wash his hands of M-1 and BE DONE w/them...

The fight will still end up happening, most likely in Febuary (March at the latest) instead of January though.

I do agree that SF should be taking more of a hard stance on his contract and showing M-1 who's the boss. They need to sit M-1 down and say listen if we can't get Fedor fighting more than once a year then BigFoot Silva will be his last fight. SF is a big enough promotion now to easily survive without having Fedor.

A few months ago I wouldn't have said all this but it's turning into a tragedy that the GOAT of MMA can't even get in the ring/cage because of TERRIBLE management. I'd rather see him retire than let his skills, record and career erode by only fighting once a year.

If Shogun were to go to K-1 right now he would get owned.

-Brock

After I'm done with you here, you are hereby declared ineligable for the use of such a phrase, or any phrase that is used in the knowledge or understanding of anything that is known, and accepted to be the thoughts of someone who is indeed - UN-OWNED. Any further usage of these types of thoughts or statements; will get that *ss OWNED.

Now go put on your Ballerina slippers and be who you really are Tinkerbell.

What is proper prep time, a couple of years? I'm not talking about troll boy hypotheticals, I'm talking real life here.

Yes you are, you're basing your entire method of posting on it. And its not working at all. You fail at even being a reliable Troll.

And no JBrock, we are not talking about 'real life'; being that the very subject of Shogun going into a K-1 fight in this discussion is completely hypothetical -NOT a reality. Seems that to go along with your lack of knowledge on the very sports we're talking about, we can add the lack of defenition comprehension of such pre-school concepts as 'real life' to your growing resume of 'things I do not understand'.

Someone needs to light your keyboard on fire and excercise the 'stupidd' from you by beating you mercilously with it.

That means you're dumb - you can skip right to this sentence so you don't hurt that dried up p!ss stained sponge you try to pass off as your brain.

The reason Mousasi stands a chance and Shogun (or the majority of everyone in MMA) doesn't is because Mousasi has been training his stand up at a high level for a long time.

And I'd still be willing to bet that Shogun could KTFO him in an MMA fight. And that A mentaly disabled child sporting headgear could ravage you in a debate.

Lol, like "Chuck countered Overeem and knocked him out".

No, more like 'Aside from TD's, MMA is exactly the same as Kick-Boxing'. Random thoughts, by G@yBrock lol. Any more precious thoughts or nuggetts of knowledge you'd care to leak out of your demented halfwitted nonsense creator you call your mind? I think we would love nothing more than to spend 10 more seconds of our lives feeling better about ourselves because a dipsh*t like you walks this earth, confiscating oxygen that would better be served for passing gas rather than supplying you with life.

And I need to take some 'lessons' and go watch some instructional vids lol? You don't even know what a 'counter' consists of. Many MMA pundits and experts have gone over that fight, reviewed it, and come to exactly the same damn conclusion; it was a counter you fool*ss.

Question is, are you Trolling this hard? Or are you F***-ing ret@rded (which makes you F***tarded -so you know).

Both of those will keep you from getting destroyed on forums because no one is gonna take you seriously and you just make yourself look like an idiot.

This coming from the same guy that threw in the towel against me a few weeks ago and turned b1tch when I called you out for being a sh*tty MMA fan because you were calling fighters cans? Question; how long did you stay up crying that evening swearing 'vengance' on the big bad M_E that night? And was there any fist shaking out of anger in any direction of any kind going on? Serriously?

Please, you couldn't destroy a wet card board box with a sledge hammer and a Panzer Tank. And even though slavery has long been abolished; that won't save your *ss from getting OWNED by me.

Funny thing is, there has already been multiple people from this site to show up and comment after reading your **pid that it seems like all your knowledge is gathered from wiki pages and coma inducing amounts of cough syrup abuse son.

Do us all a solid and slap your mother for choosing life.

cem_ea_id.MasterEnemy2 wrote:

If Shogun were to go to K-1 right now he would get owned.

-Brock

After I'm done with you here, you are hereby declared ineligable for the use of such a phrase, or any phrase that is used in the knowledge or understanding of anything that is known, and accepted to be the thoughts of someone who is indeed - UN-OWNED. Any further usage of these types of thoughts or statements; will get that *ss OWNED.

Now go put on your Ballerina slippers and be who you really are Tinkerbell.

What is proper prep time, a couple of years? I'm not talking about troll boy hypotheticals, I'm talking real life here.

Yes you are, you're basing your entire method of posting on it. And its not working at all. You fail at even being a reliable Troll.

And no JBrock, we are not talking about 'real life'; being that the very subject of Shogun going into a K-1 fight in this discussion is completely hypothetical -NOT a reality. Seems that to go along with your lack of knowledge on the very sports we're talking about, we can add the lack of defenition comprehension of such pre-school concepts as 'real life' to your growing resume of 'things I do not understand'.

Someone needs to light your keyboard on fire and excercise the 'stupidd' from you by beating you mercilously with it.

That means you're dumb - you can skip right to this sentence so you don't hurt that dried up p!ss stained sponge you try to pass off as your brain.

The reason Mousasi stands a chance and Shogun (or the majority of everyone in MMA) doesn't is because Mousasi has been training his stand up at a high level for a long time.

And I'd still be willing to bet that Shogun could KTFO him in an MMA fight. And that A mentaly disabled child sporting headgear could ravage you in a debate.

Lol, like "Chuck countered Overeem and knocked him out".

No, more like 'Aside from TD's, MMA is exactly the same as Kick-Boxing'. Random thoughts, by G@yBrock lol. Any more precious thoughts or nuggetts of knowledge you'd care to leak out of your demented halfwitted nonsense creator you call your mind? I think we would love nothing more than to spend 10 more seconds of our lives feeling better about ourselves because a dipsh*t like you walks this earth, confiscating oxygen that would better be served for passing gas rather than supplying you with life.

And I need to take some 'lessons' and go watch some instructional vids lol? You don't even know what a 'counter' consists of. Many MMA pundits and experts have gone over that fight, reviewed it, and come to exactly the same damn conclusion; it was a counter you fool*ss.

Question is, are you Trolling this hard? Or are you F***-ing ret@rded (which makes you F***tarded -so you know).

Both of those will keep you from getting destroyed on forums because no one is gonna take you seriously and you just make yourself look like an idiot.

This coming from the same guy that threw in the towel against me a few weeks ago and turned b1tch when I called you out for being a sh*tty MMA fan because you were calling fighters cans? Question; how long did you stay up crying that evening swearing 'vengance' on the big bad M_E that night? And was there any fist shaking out of anger in any direction of any kind going on? Serriously?

Please, you couldn't destroy a wet card board box with a sledge hammer and a Panzer Tank. And even though slavery has long been abolished; that won't save your *ss from getting OWNED by me.

Funny thing is, there has already been multiple people from this site to show up and comment after reading your **pid that it seems like all your knowledge is gathered from wiki pages and coma inducing amounts of cough syrup abuse son.

Do us all a solid and slap your mother for choosing life.

You gotta be pretty insecure to get that upset off of what someone says on a message board. That should tell you that the internet is wayyyy too big a chunk of your life.

Here's a tip, if you don't wan't your feelings hurt, don't be a douche. I don't mind differing opinions but bashing other people's when you obviously have little to no knowledge yourself, is just asking for people to tee off on you.

I just have to point this out because it is pure gold.

And I need to take some 'lessons' and go watch some instructional vids lol? You don't even know what a 'counter' consists of. Many MMA pundits and experts have gone over that fight, reviewed it, and come to exactly the same damn conclusion; it was a counter you fool*ss.

Haha, what MMA "pundits", Tomas Rios? Lol, the only thing more hilarious than that is you saying you have some sort of boxing background.

Just for future reference so someone else won't call you out on it.
Counter:
1. A boxing blow given while receiving or parrying another.
2. To meet or return (a blow) by another blow.
3. to return the attack of (an opponent)

You gotta be pretty insecure to get that upset off of what someone says on a message board. That should tell you that the internet is wayyyy too big a chunk of your life.

-JBrock

Well, I guess your trolling will never end. You're dedicated to your craft aren't you TrollBrock lol?

Then you are a moron and you have no idea what makes up a high level striker. If a guy like Melvin Manhoef struggles to compete in K-1 how in the hell is Shogun supposed to be able to?

-JBrock

The more you post the more clueless you sound

-Jbrock

He wouldn't be worried about getting taken down from Machida or Shogun and i'm guessing you think those are the best strikers with the type of nonsense you are posting.

-JBrock

Then you show that you really don't know sh*t

-JBrock

Both of those will keep you from getting destroyed on forums because no one is gonna take you seriously and you just make yourself look like an idiot.

-JBrock

Don't even try to play the brave victim here -you had it coming for a while. I've tried to have rational discussions with you in the past, and you always attempt some bullcrap -just like you do with SLB from time to time.

And I haven't let anyone have it like that in a while -even Ali (and he's my whipping boy lol), I've been pretty good lately.

Just for future reference so someone else won't call you out on it.

-JBrock

Says the guy who called Frank Mir a can.

Says the guy who claims 'aside from Take downs -Kick Boxing is exactly like MMA'

Says the guy that claims that acomplishments outside the world of MMA will earn someone the title of being the 'best' at something inside of it.

Do I really need to go on with anymore of your bullsh*t lol?

You flex all the knowledge about this sport from thread to thread of someone who just started watching it a year ago; who the F*** are you kidding here? Not remembering exactly how a certain fight went down (which I'll get to) and not knowing anything at all about the sport are 2 entirely different things.

So, for the record, cause I'm a f***-ing man about it (which I doubt you would be -but then again, I highly doubt you're a man to begin with), I will appolagize for the Chuck Liddell comment being that it was a counter punch -it wasn't, Overeem was indeed standing there just blocking when Chuck caught him. Its been about a year or so since I've sat down and re-played that fight -sue me- I've watched quite a few since then. I'll man up on that.

Doesn't change the main part of my post in this thread though - nothing a fighter does outside of their sport will earn them anything at all within their sport. And that was my main point to begin with. And you can talk all the crap you want, or make all the noise you can get out of your keyboard in here -but nothing will change that statement.

Not even me being wrong about Chuck.

Well, I guess your trolling will never end. You're dedicated to your craft aren't you TrollBrock lol?

Lol, the difference is my insults follow or precede complete MMA nonsense on your part. I don't go wasting a whole half a page on grade school insults.

Says the guy who called Frank Mir a can.

Til he beats someone that matters, then I stand by that. Beating Nog who had an injured knee, staph and almost literally went from the hospital to the arena is not impressive at all.

Says the guy who claims 'aside from Take downs -Kick Boxing is exactly like MMA'

Lol, I don't even understand how you actually think that is an argument. Without the takedowns, all that is left is to strike and since you can use your feet, it would be classified as kickboxing. For example, Joe Rogan would say that some MMA fights turn into "bad kickboxing matchs". Kickboxing is a general term, it doesn't imply rules only techniques.

BloodyElbow using the same term
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/6/25/925224/dont-let-mma-become-bad-kickboxing

Says the guy that claims that acomplishments outside the world of MMA will earn someone the title of being the 'best' at something inside of it.

Currently.....

Joe Warren = The best wrestler
Roger Gracie = The best jiu-jitsu player
Overeem = The best kickboxer
Satoshi Ishii = The best Judoka

All because of what they've done outside of MMA.

Not remembering exactly how a certain fight went down (which I'll get to) and not knowing anything at all about the sport are 2 entirely different things.

Then that brings up a whole other conversation then. Why comment on something that you can't "remember went down"? Hell, I wouldn't have even called anyone out on it but since you like to call other peoples post "ridiculous", then you better make sure you know your shi*.

xbox.jbrock11 wrote:

Well, I guess your trolling will never end. You're dedicated to your craft aren't you TrollBrock lol?

Lol, the difference is my insults follow or precede complete MMA nonsense on your part. I don't go wasting a whole half a page on grade school insults.

Says the guy who called Frank Mir a can.

Til he beats someone that matters, then I stand by that. Beating Nog who had an injured knee, staph and almost literally went from the hospital to the arena is not impressive at all.

Says the guy who claims 'aside from Take downs -Kick Boxing is exactly like MMA'

Lol, I don't even understand how you actually think that is an argument. Without the takedowns, all that is left is to strike and since you can use your feet, it would be classified as kickboxing. For example, Joe Rogan would say that some MMA fights turn into "bad kickboxing matchs". Kickboxing is a general term, it doesn't imply rules only techniques.

BloodyElbow using the same term
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/6/25/925224/dont-let-mma-become-bad-kickboxing

Says the guy that claims that acomplishments outside the world of MMA will earn someone the title of being the 'best' at something inside of it.

Currently.....

Joe Warren = The best wrestler
Roger Gracie = The best jiu-jitsu player
Overeem = The best kickboxer
Satoshi Ishii = The best Judoka

All because of what they've done outside of MMA.

Not remembering exactly how a certain fight went down (which I'll get to) and not knowing anything at all about the sport are 2 entirely different things.

Then that brings up a whole other conversation then. Why comment on something that you can't "remember went down"? Hell, I wouldn't have even called anyone out on it but since you like to call other peoples post "ridiculous", then you better make sure you know your shi*.

I'm trying not to jump down your throat man but your sure not making it easy on me. As for frank mir, I dont like him and believe he's overrated but certainly not a can. I agree about the Nog fight but he absolutely raped Kongo (not saying that Kongo's that good but...) although he hasnt had too many good wins lately, and will most likely lose against schaub.

MMA-takedowns=KB? what about elbows? i've seen some damn deadly clinch elbows, none of which are permitted in KB also, as Enemy mentioned, the change of stance. But one of the biggest difs which im surprised no one mentioned is the glove size. The margin for error in mma is much much smaller, you make a tiny mistake you can and will get ktfo. Fighters have to be more careful.

Joe warren best wrestler? really? I completely disagree.
Roger Gracie- sure he's widely recognized as (one of) the best but this is debatable and not completely solid.
Overeem-sure he's the best kickboxer. That doesn't mean that I think Shogun wouldn't put on a stand up clinic should O decide to drop the weight. Just cuz he does the most in K-1 doesn't mean he has the best stand up in mma.
Ishi-alright no disagreement here. Will his Judo get him anywhere meaningful in MMA? I don't think so but thats me.

What they do outside MMA is all well and good but it doesn't affect the caliber of MMA fighter they are.

I'm trying not to jump down your throat man but your sure not making it easy on me. As for frank mir, I dont like him and believe he's overrated but certainly not a can. I agree about the Nog fight but he absolutely raped Kongo (not saying that Kongo's that good but...) although he hasnt had too many good wins lately, and will most likely lose against schaub.

Well the word "can" could mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people. I mainly reference Mir as a "can" because he is not an elite level fighter (regardless of how he's marketed). IMO he's just a name that the UFC uses to build up other fighters. In boxing terms in which the word "tomato can" was born, literally means "inferior fighter". However since the term can be misconstrued, maybe "gatekeeper" is a more appropriate word.

MMA-takedowns=KB? what about elbows? i've seen some damn deadly clinch elbows, none of which are permitted in KB also, as Enemy mentioned, the change of stance. But one of the biggest difs which im surprised no one mentioned is the glove size. The margin for error in mma is much much smaller, you make a tiny mistake you can and will get ktfo. Fighters have to be more careful.

Is Muay Thai not a version of kickboxing? Like I said, I wasn't referencing rules, only techniques. There are some techniques that can't be used in MMA, mainly because they are ineffective. However, the majority of techniques can, that's is why you see MMA gyms across the globe teaching some sort of kickboxing along with jiu-jitsu, wrestling, etc.

Joe warren best wrestler? really? I completely disagree.

Could be debated I guess but that's my pick.
Some others would be:

Ben Askren
King Mo
Dan Cormier
etc.

Roger Gracie- sure he's widely recognized as (one of) the best but this is debatable and not completely solid.

The dude is a 10 time Mundials champion, if anyone can be considered the best, it's him.

Overeem-sure he's the best kickboxer. That doesn't mean that I think Shogun wouldn't put on a stand up clinic should O decide to drop the weight.

If Shogun couldn't put on a "clinic" when Overeem was nowhere near as dangerous back in the day, how's he suppose to do it now?

It would also be close to a physical impossibility for Overeem to cut to 205 now. Have you seen his body? The dude probably doesn't have more than 8% body fat on him at any given time.

Ishi-alright no disagreement here. Will his Judo get him anywhere meaningful in MMA? I don't think so but thats me.

Well since Judo is only one small part of MMA then no. However, if he can develop his game around his Judo then, yes. There is a reason that the UFC was trying hard to get the guy when he had 0 MMA fights.

What they do outside MMA is all well and good but it doesn't affect the caliber of MMA fighter they are.

It doesn't effect the caliber of fighter they are because the term fighter imply's all skills not just one. However, in terms of their individual disciplines, there is no doubt those guys are the best. Just for example, the UFC pimping Demian Maia as the best BJJ practitioner in the game. Is that because of what Maia has done in MMA?....No.

That is why you see Dana White, Joe Rogan, even Bruce Buffer during his announcing reference stuff like being an NCAA wrestling champion or being a BJJ champion because what you do outside of MMA can impact what you do in it. If it didn't, Brock Lesnar would still be known for the F5 instead of UFC HW Champion. The whole reason the UFC gave Brock a shot was because he was an NCAA champion.

Greco and freestyle wrestling are totally different and should be recognized as such.

Best Greco Roman wrestler in MMA: Joe Warren
Best freestyle wrestler in MMA: Yoel Romero

ps3.DilltheThrill wrote:Greco and freestyle wrestling are totally different and should be recognized as such.

Best Greco Roman wrestler in MMA: Joe Warren
Best freestyle wrestler in MMA: Yoel Romero

Yea, Romero is sick.



I just hesitate to even put him in the discussion though because he's only had two fights, 10 months apart. I don't know how serious he is about MMA. Especially with his credentials, it wouldn't take anything to give the major orgs a call and try to work out a deal with them.

Fair enough but I would put King Mo and Cormier over Askren