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I was looking on the news, and I heard that GM is going bankurpt. what is going on with the big three? they never had these promlems like this before!

btw, If you where head of gm,chrsyler,or ford, what would do to ge tthem out of the mess thre in?

I don't care how much horsepower that car has if it dosent have a stick shift



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From what I know, GM itself is not going into bankruptcy, but it certainly is facing serious financial difficulties.

Chrysler, which is under GM, has already filed for bankruptcy, and is probably the biggest hit on GM.

Also, GM has stated that it will phase out brands like Pontiac and Hummer, and focusing on only four marques; Chevrolet, Cadillac, Buick, and GMC.


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Chrysler is not a subsidiary of GM. As towards the brands that GM has dropped...it's easier to list those that are being kept. Chevy, Cadillac, Buick and GMC are being retained. All others are either being bought up or dropped completely. This includes SAAB, Saturn, Pontiac, and Hummer.

Chrysler has already filed for bankruptcy because the American government has insisted on it and signed a deal with Fiat SpA for part ownership. This includes a new name along the lines of Chrysler Group LLC or something like that.

GM will be going bankrupt. There's nothing anyone can do about it because, once again, the American government is insisting on it. In fact it's either today, June 1st, or tomorrow, June 2nd, that they are supposed to be filing.

What could have been done to avert this from happening? Well lots really. Creating less car brands that compete with each other. Cars that retained some semblance of style and yet were looking towards sustainability. Investigating new techniques and willingly investing in them with an eye towards making a profit in the future instead of the present. But then these companies generally don't learn. At least it seems that GM and Chrysler don't.

Chrysler has nearly gone under twice before. (I don't consider chapter 11 to be going under, it's a move to prevent it.) Once resulted in the K-car and the other time it was saved by Daimler Benz.

GM also had difficulties in continuing sustainable business during a brash series of foolish decisions in the nineties and were bailed out by the government. This bail out came as the form of legislation allowing for trucks and SUV's (a class of vehicle previously unknown of) having laxer fuel and safety regulations allowing for cheaper vehicles to be built.

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First thing I will do is thorw those rubbish engine to the junkyard, and replace with loww C.C. engine, I don't think any driver like to pay so much money on fuel, and the car speed is still like a japanese cars....GM, Chrsyler,or Ford always making high cc cars and make people choose Japanese or European cars instead, gm,chrsyler,or ford never try to think why the situation will like this and continues to make useless car, what ever the muscle car is fast, but one think I can sure is the cars not suitable for people now since now we care about the fuel price and environment~

May be my words are wrong, plz correct me if you found any fact against me~



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cem_ea_id.ilovekasumin4sud wrote:First thing I will do is thorw those rubbish engine to the junkyard, and replace with loww C.C. engine, I don't think any driver like to pay so much money on fuel, and the car speed is still like a japanese cars....GM, Chrsyler,or Ford always making high cc cars and make people choose Japanese or European cars instead, gm,chrsyler,or ford never try to think why the situation will like this and continues to make useless car, what ever the muscle car is fast, but one think I can sure is the cars not suitable for people now since now we care about the fuel price and environment~

May be my words are wrong, plz correct me if you found any fact against me~


You're wrong...how's that?

In North America Honda, Toyota, Mitsubishi, and many other companies use engines with the same displacement. In fact most European companies have larger engines. BMW offers an inline six as their smallest engine and the rest are V8's. Mercedes Benz also tends to offer large V8's as standard on their vehicles. The fuel economy is generally the same for all class of vehicles and in case of Hyundai is worse despite smaller engines. (Older engine technology.)
From my understanding from talking to different people around the world, the American 3 offer smaller engines elsewhere.
Also the larger engine blocks allow for better passing speed and a quieter ride on the highway. Which North America has many of. Many, many, many.

I do agree that smaller engine sizes would be greatly appreciated because frankly the average sedan doesn't need a 300 HP engine. I'd rather have the fuel economy so that I can spend more on diapers or hockey equipment or whatever I'm spending my kids money on.

(It should be noted that Chrysler is actually the only company which does not produce an engine under 2.4L. One of the reasons it had to mind meld with Fiat SpA in order to be allowed to go bankrupt.)

In all honesty the best options for North America is Multi-Displacement Engines and Variable Compression Ratios. It allows for better acceleration for passing but lower noise for highway cruising. Although the cruising aspect drops horsepower levels while keeping the engine in it's maximum bandwidth.

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well, at 8:00 am yesterday, GM went under. good buy, gm. it was fun driving your cars in nfs while it lasted

I don't care how much horsepower that car has if it dosent have a stick shift


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cem_ea_id.herbienut wrote:well, at 8:00 am yesterday, GM went under. good buy, gm. it was fun driving your cars in nfs while it lasted


Read your news Herbie...you're American and you didn't even bother to check the differences between Chapter 11 and Chapter 7? GM isn't dead...it's in financial restructuring. Essentially...instead of losing your house and the back 40. You get to keep the house but lose the back 40.

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ok. so I dont know the difference between chapter 11 and chapter 7. do i look like an account to you?

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Give me a good ol GM 3.8 liter V6 anyday for my freeway commute every day. You can keep your smaller displacement windup engines.


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No you look like a nut, Herbie.

3.8L V6? I want my Boxer 6....for the highway commute. Although I wish that someone would go out and say..."Hey, we should make a Boxer 8 for our flagship super/muscle/sports car." Those things have a beautiful rumble.

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ha ha ha, not funney I only knew that GM was going backrupt. however, I dident know how much they where.

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How could you not have details? There's information everywhere you turn. On the television, automobile magazine sites, newspapers, radios...even here!

The only thing that's actually quite big that I wouldn't expect you to know is that Magna will be purchasing Opel and taking over GM's european branch. Thanks to the German governments approval...Opel is German. Which means that Canada will actually have it's own brand if Magna can get Opel sold in Canada.

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ok, I get the point! next time somthing happens related to the big 3, I will pay better attention

btw, how is ford still able to keep from going under? it seems very strange that they havent.

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They saw the end coming and started to reform before hand. They sold Jag and Aston Martin over a year ago, plus Land Rover. They also consolidated their dealerships over the past few years and mortgaged about half their company off before the banks stopped coughing up loans.

And it seems to have worked. Lincoln is the only company to turn a profit in the first quarter of 2009 and Ford had the best sales of any company.

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