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Yep.you sure can have more than one Gamertag on an XBox 360.Like you said as long as you pay.
You just can't be online with more than one at a time.

xbox.SSenator wrote:Yep.you sure can have more than one Gamertag on an XBox 360.Like you said as long as you pay.
You just can't be online with more than one at a time.

That's what I thought...which perplexes me even more as to why Tim would want one IP per PS3. I'm sure the XBox Live fees discourage a lot of people from using multiple accounts but I guarantee their are players on the 360 doing it.

Hey mods, why are the letters S and T followed by a period hidden as if they are obscene?

Watch:

Saint Andrews

*. Andrews.

What's up with that?

how about just the s and t together like:

*

Oh., now that's funny, I can't type s and t together but I can type stfu?

I'll send it along Exigos.

When they first switched over to the new forum styling I recall you couldn't use the word "shot" without it being censored. That would have made it fairly difficult to talk golf!

No clue why s and t are marked unless it's just an oversight.

cem_ea_id.ER1CKSON wrote:

xbox.SSenator wrote:Yep.you sure can have more than one Gamertag on an XBox 360.Like you said as long as you pay.
You just can't be online with more than one at a time.

That's what I thought...which perplexes me even more as to why Tim would want one IP per PS3. I'm sure the XBox Live fees discourage a lot of people from using multiple accounts but I guarantee their are players on the 360 doing it.

How else would you suggest stopping multiple PSN account users then? Sony sure as heck isn't going to stop people from buying more than one PS3....nor is MS....I am not sure how you stop this. I'm all ears though....

MAIN.EAcom Golf Tim wrote:

cem_ea_id.ER1CKSON wrote:

xbox.SSenator wrote:Yep.you sure can have more than one Gamertag on an XBox 360.Like you said as long as you pay.
You just can't be online with more than one at a time.

That's what I thought...which perplexes me even more as to why Tim would want one IP per PS3. I'm sure the XBox Live fees discourage a lot of people from using multiple accounts but I guarantee their are players on the 360 doing it.

How else would you suggest stopping multiple PSN account users then? Sony sure as heck isn't going to stop people from buying more than one PS3....nor is MS....I am not sure how you stop this. I'm all ears though....

My issue is that you seem to be focusing on the PSN users when it's possible for 360 users to have more than one account on a system as well. Outside of the XBox Live fees, I'm unaware of the difference between creating multiple accounts on one system. There may be a difference that I'm unaware of because I don't own a 360 but no one has mentioned any in this thread.

Would I pay fees to use the PSN? Sure. Would it discourage people from making multiple accounts if they had to pay for each account? Absolutely.

But, there will always be a group of people willing to do whatever is necessary to see their name on a leaderboard. It is unfair, IMO, to tie a system to one user and one user only...these systems cost too much money for that and it's not fair to honest people/families who want to share that enjoyment with others.

Outside of charging for the PSN, I can't think of too many legitimate options that would be fair to everyone and at the same time discourage multiple accounts to any great extent.

cem_ea_id.ER1CKSON wrote:

My issue is that you seem to be focusing on the PSN users when it's possible for 360 users to have more than one account on a system as well.

No, I am not. I know full well XBox Live users are doing the same thing....and they are PAYING for it unlike PSN users....

cem_ea_id.ER1CKSON wrote:Would I pay fees to use the PSN? Sure. Would it discourage people from making multiple accounts if they had to pay for each account? Absolutely.

Doesn't seem to stop XBox Live users.....

cem_ea_id.ER1CKSON wrote:
Outside of charging for the PSN, I can't think of too many legitimate options that would be fair to everyone and at the same time discourage multiple accounts to any great extent.

Therein lies the problem....

MAIN.EAcom Golf Tim wrote:

cem_ea_id.ER1CKSON wrote:

My issue is that you seem to be focusing on the PSN users when it's possible for 360 users to have more than one account on a system as well.

No, I am not. I know full well XBox Live users are doing the same thing....and they are PAYING for it unlike PSN users....

You said in this thread...

MAIN.EAcom Golf Tim wrote:

If Sony would limit PSN usernames to ONE per IP address, they would go a long way towards stopping the abuse. However, they can't stop users who have 2 PS3's, just like MS can't stop users with 2 XBox Live accounts. They certainly aren't going to tell users they can't buy a second PS3/360 or PSN/XBox Live account if they are so inclined....

You don't mention anything about Microsoft and how they should limit usernames to one per IP. You only mention Sony. Maybe I read too much into your comments, but, to me it seemed like you were portraying Sony as the problem and suggesting they limit PSN users to 1 per system while Microsoft should just carry with business as usual. The comment was directed towards a PS3 user, so, perhaps that's why you only mentioned Sony...I don't know...it was a bit unclear IMO. If Sony should do this, and I don't think they should, then so should Microsoft.

cem_ea_id.ER1CKSON wrote:Would I pay fees to use the PSN? Sure. Would it discourage people from making multiple accounts if they had to pay for each account? Absolutely.

MAIN.EAcom Golf Tim wrote:Doesn't seem to stop XBox Live users.....

I didn't say it would stop it, I said it would discourage it. I think you would agree that it would be a deterrent.

I've come to grips with the reality that there is probably nothing that can or will be done to fully prevent cheaters. I will continue to play games with my friends and have fun regardless. At the end of the day, I know who truly is good at the games I play and most intelligent people in the various gaming communities know these things as well. And, that's enough for me.

cem_ea_id.ER1CKSON wrote:
You don't mention anything about Microsoft and how they should limit usernames to one per IP. You only mention Sony. Maybe I read too much into your comments, but, to me it seemed like you were portraying Sony as the problem and suggesting they limit PSN users to 1 per system while Microsoft should just carry with business as usual. The comment was directed towards a PS3 user, so, perhaps that's why you only mentioned Sony...I don't know...it was a bit unclear IMO. If Sony should do this, and I don't think they should, then so should Microsoft.

Sorry. I assumed that the number of threads in this very forum regarding XBox Live users who had multiple accounts was well known. It is a problem with BOTH systems, so my apologies for creating the confusion...

No need to apologize, just a miscommunication on both ends. Happens all the time, as you know, over the Interwebs.

If multiple accounts were the only way people cheat/cheeze in this game ,I would gladly pay to be on PSN.

MAIN.EAcom Golf Tim wrote:

cem_ea_id.ER1CKSON wrote:

xbox.SSenator wrote:Yep.you sure can have more than one Gamertag on an XBox 360.Like you said as long as you pay.
You just can't be online with more than one at a time.

That's what I thought...which perplexes me even more as to why Tim would want one IP per PS3. I'm sure the XBox Live fees discourage a lot of people from using multiple accounts but I guarantee their are players on the 360 doing it.

How else would you suggest stopping multiple PSN account users then? Sony sure as heck isn't going to stop people from buying more than one PS3....nor is MS....I am not sure how you stop this. I'm all ears though....

Truth be told, you cannot stop multiple accounts from being used. Mainly because, there are cases (like mine) where it could be legitimate. I have an XBOX 360 and so does my son. We have different XBOX Live Accounts.

You can not use IP Address uniqueness for technical reasons also:

1. Your IP Address (as the EA server sees it) is actually the IP Address from your ISP and does not define your box individually. Think of your home network as a house: Your computer is one room, your XBOX is another, your kids XBOX is another, your PS3 is another, and your laptop is another room in that house. EA only sees your street address (the house) not the individual rooms.
2. Your IP Address (as the EA server sees is) changes, typically after a 3 day lease.

There is no technical way to differentiate between one XBOX and another on the same home network. Plus, even if I have only one XBOX, and EA could 'see' the one XBOX, who is to say that having multiple accounts is not legitimate. Imagine the scenario where my kid and I both like to play TW10, but I don't want him messing up my stats, I would buy him his own XBOX Live membership that he uses, separate from mine. As long as I paid for the game, EA would be completely out of line, and likely in breach of the game's EULA, to try to disable it.

i am late on the discussion, but couldnt they use the mac address for the machine also or maybe even the disc id?

and exo, if how you describe it, if the ip address is changed every three days or so by the isp.... if it (ip) was used, to exclude, for a one day or two day tourney, ea would exclude a few number of people both playing the tourney, but exclude many from playing it 15 times. i would only say they should do this on a very few tourneys though. i think they should still have multi-play and what they have, but if they could make it an honest, play once tourney, cant save a gamernet under another tag/psn id, cant play live weather offline first, cant coach through msgr/yahoo/pidgin/telephone, etc...

put a clock on it too.

anyway, still a great game, most of us are nit picking.

ps3.lav01 wrote:i am late on the discussion, but couldnt they use the mac address for the machine also or maybe even the disc id?

and exo, if how you describe it, if the ip address is changed every three days or so by the isp.... if it (ip) was used, to exclude, for a one day or two day tourney, ea would exclude a few number of people both playing the tourney, but exclude many from playing it 15 times. i would only say they should do this on a very few tourneys though. i think they should still have multi-play and what they have, but if they could make it an honest, play once tourney, cant save a gamernet under another tag/psn id, cant play live weather offline first, cant coach through msgr/yahoo/pidgin/telephone, etc...

put a clock on it too.

anyway, still a great game, most of us are nit picking.

MAC address is also not accessible from outside your network (depending on how it is setup).

Disc ID is a good idea, but consider my scenario above where I legitimately have two XBOX Live! Accounts, one for me and one for my kid on the same XBOX. You cannot tell if a user has two accounts because he has a kid (or another player) and wishes to keep stats separate, or if they are using it to cheese.

It is what it is, and if EA disables the ability for me to play the game and my kid to play the game just because we are in the same household, they are gonna have one unhappy customer and (if I really had nothing better to do and the money to waste - which I don't - they would likely hear from a lawyer.)

i understand your position and thats why i would say do this on a very limited amount of tourneys. with that being said, i would guess you are the minority. i dont know exactly how xbox works but i have about 15 accounts on ps3. and it only takes a couple minutes to make another. i can (if i want to, but i dont, i have only played under lav01) get around the rule very easily. and thats why i think it would exclude many people from doing it 15 times and exclude a few like you.

to only let you, OR your son, play in one random tourney a week, AND still allow you both to play in every other tourney doesnt seem unfair to me. i would endorse shutting off the course in the game totally for practice rounds also, but i dont know if thats possible. its prob only 1 out of 30+ tournaments.