Roster and Ratings Discussion: Green Bay Packers

Hey guys, we are going to use this thread as the catch all Green Bay Packers roster and ratings discussion. Got a problem with a guy being rated too high or too low, this is the place to speak your mind, but please keep it clean. If there is a guy on your team that’s not in the game, feel free to post that in here as well.

When you bring your argument, make sure you bring stats and provide as much reasoning as possible. Rating s Czar Donny Moore will be stopping by this thread from time to time, so your voice will actually be heard by the guy in charge of making all of the roster and ratings decisions for Madden NFL 10. Make it worthwhile.

If you have any questions, feel free to send me a PM.

xbox.Dewiel wrote:Hey guys, we are going to use this thread as the catch all Green Bay Packers roster and ratings discussion. Got a problem with a guy being rated too high or too low, this is the place to speak your mind, but please keep it clean. If there is a guy on your team that’s not in the game, feel free to post that in here as well.

When you bring your argument, make sure you bring stats and provide as much reasoning as possible. Rating s Czar Donny Moore will be stopping by this thread from time to time, so your voice will actually be heard by the guy in charge of making all of the roster and ratings decisions for Madden NFL 10. Make it worthwhile.

If you have any questions, feel free to send me a PM.

TE: Jermichael Finley has looked great this preseason he is pressing Donald Lee for the starting job. I think he deserves a bump. 9 recptions for 92 yards 10.2 2tds and not even starting.

Woodson has been looking great on the blitz his speed could go up a little bit. He forced 3 fumbles against the Cardinals in just a half against starters.

Jordy Nelson and James Jones have tight ends rated faster than them. Thats sad especially since both of them just picked on Dom Rodgers Cromartie. Each of them beat him on big gains. Jordy TORCHED him on a 70 yard bomb.

The o line has looked great as well not allowing a sack on A-rod after he was sacked like 30 times last season.

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Al Harris is coming off back to back pro bowls and he's not rated in the 90's. Explain that. Aaron Rodgers needs deep ball accuracy increase along with speed. Him and romo has to be around the same. Our offensive line need boost. Haven't no sacks all preseason. Greg Jennings needs better hands. Drop to many balls. Driver constantly making plays behind the d but on madden his speed doesn't show that. Bigby 80 spd that a lil harsh he ran 4.6 at the combine. Ryan Grant spd kills in madden he can't finish runs. Ive seen plenty of runs last year he finish. Chillar and Bishop can be starters for other teams should be rated like them. Bj Raji a whole lot stronger than people needs a lil bump. JJ and Jordy needs speed bumps. Finley need a bump Packers most improved player. How his speed go from 88 to 79. I dont get that. I know its a lot but if u could look at these minor tweaks. Thanks

Great idea, I can't believe i didn't think of this setup for the forums

anyways Just be cause Hawk might not get huge numbers this year doesn't mean he is not still a great player....

"He has not been very flashy, but he's been extremely consistent," said assistant head coach/inside linebackers Winston Moss. "He hasn't had a lot of production but he's been doing exactly what he's supposed to be doing. It hasn't been flashy, it hasn't been very, very productive but, you know, there's not a lot of complaints when he's doing everything right. He's making very few mistakes. He's grading out very, very high."

LB coach saying that he will be the designated gap filler of the 2 ILBs of the 3-4,

"Throughout the course of three games with about 70 plays, he's been extremely consistent," Moss said. "We still emphasize the ability that when you have your chance to make a play, you've got to do it."

I'm not asking for him to be a LB that is rated with great INT and playmaking skills but he should be a sure-fire tackler (at least as good a Nick Barnett) and also should be someone that get can to the QB as well as correctly read plays and be in the right spot.

xbox.DreZilla03 wrote:Al Harris is coming off back to back pro bowls and he's not rated in the 90's. Explain that. Aaron Rodgers needs deep ball accuracy increase along with speed. Him and romo has to be around the same. Our offensive line need boost. Haven't no sacks all preseason. Greg Jennings needs better hands. Drop to many balls. Driver constantly making plays behind the d but on madden his speed doesn't show that. Bigby 80 spd that a lil harsh he ran 4.6 at the combine. Ryan Grant spd kills in madden he can't finish runs. Ive seen plenty of runs last year he finish. Chillar and Bishop can be starters for other teams should be rated like them. Bj Raji a whole lot stronger than people needs a lil bump. JJ and Jordy needs speed bumps. Finley need a bump Packers most improved player. How his speed go from 88 to 79. I dont get that. I know its a lot but if u could look at these minor tweaks. Thanks

Al Harris is a shadow of the corner he used to. He can still jam with the best of them & is a decent tackler for a CB but he can't cover like he used to. His play the last couple of seasons was not Pro Bowl worthy. That should explain that.

ps3.bert69 wrote:

xbox.DreZilla03 wrote:Al Harris is coming off back to back pro bowls and he's not rated in the 90's. Explain that. Aaron Rodgers needs deep ball accuracy increase along with speed. Him and romo has to be around the same. Our offensive line need boost. Haven't no sacks all preseason. Greg Jennings needs better hands. Drop to many balls. Driver constantly making plays behind the d but on madden his speed doesn't show that. Bigby 80 spd that a lil harsh he ran 4.6 at the combine. Ryan Grant spd kills in madden he can't finish runs. Ive seen plenty of runs last year he finish. Chillar and Bishop can be starters for other teams should be rated like them. Bj Raji a whole lot stronger than people needs a lil bump. JJ and Jordy needs speed bumps. Finley need a bump Packers most improved player. How his speed go from 88 to 79. I dont get that. I know its a lot but if u could look at these minor tweaks. Thanks

Al Harris is a shadow of the corner he used to. He can still jam with the best of them & is a decent tackler for a CB but he can't cover like he used to. His play the last couple of seasons was not Pro Bowl worthy. That should explain that.

no one is saying he is the corner he used to be but take a look at his YPC average and his games against guys like Andre Johnson last year and then tell me he can't cover.

To add to II Danny’s preceding post, Finley has earned a ratings boost but I think his athletic attributes in the game are good; maybe he just needs an awareness boost.

Please add the starting FB, John Kuhn.

O-Line:
Spitz moves from RG to C, Wells gets demoted and Preston gets cut. Sitton promoted to starter at RG. Allen Barbre wins starting job at RT. I think the starters could all use an awareness boost (except Clifton). Lang is the #2 LG and Evan Dietrich-Smith, who is not in the game, is the #2 RG. I suggest removing Charlie Peprah (SS) to create roster room to add Dietrich-Smith.

D-Line:
Ryan Pickett weights 330 pounds, not 310. His weight is important as the nose in the 3-4 defense. Jolly is the starting LE. Move him from DT to LE and move Raji to DT. When Jolly moves to LE his OVR takes a dive, so I’d love to see boosts to get him back up to the 72 OVR he has as a DT.

Linebackers:
Swap Thompson and Poppinga at the ROLB and LOLB positions. At MLB, Chillar is starting in Barnett’s absence, which should put him ahead of Bishop in the OVR column. Last year Chillar was the coverage specialist who played in passing situations, which makes his current speed rating seem inappropriately low.

DB’s:
Al Harris has always been rated with low speed. I think he appears slower than he is as a result of his physically aggressive play with receivers. That aggressiveness requires him to adjust and change direction a lot, making him seem slower.

Woodson is an incredible playmaker (maybe better than ever) because of his smarts, his instincts and his study habits. I think his “play recognition” attribute, which is already pretty good, could stand to go up a few more points.

chillar needs a boost and also desmond bishop they are out playing hawk in the 3-4 defence

ps3.Mattwaukee wrote:

ps3.bert69 wrote:

xbox.DreZilla03 wrote:Al Harris is coming off back to back pro bowls and he's not rated in the 90's. Explain that. Aaron Rodgers needs deep ball accuracy increase along with speed. Him and romo has to be around the same. Our offensive line need boost. Haven't no sacks all preseason. Greg Jennings needs better hands. Drop to many balls. Driver constantly making plays behind the d but on madden his speed doesn't show that. Bigby 80 spd that a lil harsh he ran 4.6 at the combine. Ryan Grant spd kills in madden he can't finish runs. Ive seen plenty of runs last year he finish. Chillar and Bishop can be starters for other teams should be rated like them. Bj Raji a whole lot stronger than people needs a lil bump. JJ and Jordy needs speed bumps. Finley need a bump Packers most improved player. How his speed go from 88 to 79. I dont get that. I know its a lot but if u could look at these minor tweaks. Thanks

Al Harris is a shadow of the corner he used to. He can still jam with the best of them & is a decent tackler for a CB but he can't cover like he used to. His play the last couple of seasons was not Pro Bowl worthy. That should explain that.

no one is saying he is the corner he used to be but take a look at his YPC average and his games against guys like Andre Johnson last year and then tell me he can't cover.

Or we could look at his other games in the last few seasons against other top WR's like T.O. or Burress & see where they abused him. Every player has good & bad games & by no means is Harris a scrub CB. I'm just saying he is no longer a 90+ OVR worthy CB. His best days as a player are behind him.

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ps3.bert69 wrote:

ps3.Mattwaukee wrote:

ps3.bert69 wrote:

xbox.DreZilla03 wrote:Al Harris is coming off back to back pro bowls and he's not rated in the 90's. Explain that. Aaron Rodgers needs deep ball accuracy increase along with speed. Him and romo has to be around the same. Our offensive line need boost. Haven't no sacks all preseason. Greg Jennings needs better hands. Drop to many balls. Driver constantly making plays behind the d but on madden his speed doesn't show that. Bigby 80 spd that a lil harsh he ran 4.6 at the combine. Ryan Grant spd kills in madden he can't finish runs. Ive seen plenty of runs last year he finish. Chillar and Bishop can be starters for other teams should be rated like them. Bj Raji a whole lot stronger than people needs a lil bump. JJ and Jordy needs speed bumps. Finley need a bump Packers most improved player. How his speed go from 88 to 79. I dont get that. I know its a lot but if u could look at these minor tweaks. Thanks

Al Harris is a shadow of the corner he used to. He can still jam with the best of them & is a decent tackler for a CB but he can't cover like he used to. His play the last couple of seasons was not Pro Bowl worthy. That should explain that.

no one is saying he is the corner he used to be but take a look at his YPC average and his games against guys like Andre Johnson last year and then tell me he can't cover.

Or we could look at his other games in the last few seasons against other top WR's like T.O. or Burress & see where they abused him. Every player has good & bad games & by no means is Harris a scrub CB. I'm just saying he is no longer a 90+ OVR worthy CB. His best days as a player are behind him.

LOL name any CBs that could play the same scheme as al harris against TO or Plaxico..... The defense the packers played the last 3 years was called LEAVE EVERYONE ON A ISLAND AND LET THEM PLAY MAN COVERAGE WITH ZERO HELP.....anyways no one is asking for a huge increase but the guy deserves a little more respect.

and LIS you don't think Andre Johnson is scarier than TO or Plaxico......lol, harris covered him just fine last year.

xbox.DreZilla03 wrote:Al Harris is coming off back to back pro bowls and he's not rated in the 90's. Explain that. Aaron Rodgers needs deep ball accuracy increase along with speed. Him and romo has to be around the same. Our offensive line need boost. Haven't no sacks all preseason. Greg Jennings needs better hands. Drop to many balls. Driver constantly making plays behind the d but on madden his speed doesn't show that. Bigby 80 spd that a lil harsh he ran 4.6 at the combine. Ryan Grant spd kills in madden he can't finish runs. Ive seen plenty of runs last year he finish. Chillar and Bishop can be starters for other teams should be rated like them. Bj Raji a whole lot stronger than people needs a lil bump. JJ and Jordy needs speed bumps. Finley need a bump Packers most improved player. How his speed go from 88 to 79. I dont get that. I know its a lot but if u could look at these minor tweaks. Thanks

Man, if every I went with every "team expert" and their advice, wouldn't it be quicker to just go +10 for every rating for your favorite team!?! lol

Put it to you another way, if I simply go in and "fix" these ratings for every team, you go back to the same vanilla ratings of yesterday where 95% of all CBs in the league are separated by 5 SPD rating points. That means we go back to a Madden where CB backups John Bowie and Darrick Brown are just as good on the Madden field as Pro Bowler Nnamdi Asomugha because they were fast and had respectable 65-70-ish man and zone coverage ratings. That to me was not real to life whatsoever. So we still keep those guys fast, but their intangible ratings like man and zone are stretched out to seperate the Asomughas from the Darrick Browns of the world.

[Sidenote Raider fans: Chris Johnson has received a much needed SPD boost in the Week 1 update.]

I'll be perfectly honest here, if you can't come to the table with just as many things that need to go down about your team that need to go up, it really doesn't add much to the overall feedback that I get. All I see over and over is some joker with his NFL team avatar on the left giving me a lecture about why I have underrated Mr. 15 career catch Chaz Schilens so badly or how your favorite team guy is underrated in speed because of a forty time he ran years ago. The guys that come to the table with legit arguements, both about guys too low and too high, that type of thing comes across much more informed and much less homer-ish.

Which at the end of the day, if your goal is to get YOUR guy rated higher, why not approach in a more fair and balanced approach where there is some give and take.

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Make sense and some get teams get more love than others. I don't expect all these players to get bumps. But if we see it on Sunday shouldn't get it on madden.

easw.EA_DonnyMoore wrote:

xbox.DreZilla03 wrote:Al Harris is coming off back to back pro bowls and he's not rated in the 90's. Explain that. Aaron Rodgers needs deep ball accuracy increase along with speed. Him and romo has to be around the same. Our offensive line need boost. Haven't no sacks all preseason. Greg Jennings needs better hands. Drop to many balls. Driver constantly making plays behind the d but on madden his speed doesn't show that. Bigby 80 spd that a lil harsh he ran 4.6 at the combine. Ryan Grant spd kills in madden he can't finish runs. Ive seen plenty of runs last year he finish. Chillar and Bishop can be starters for other teams should be rated like them. Bj Raji a whole lot stronger than people needs a lil bump. JJ and Jordy needs speed bumps. Finley need a bump Packers most improved player. How his speed go from 88 to 79. I dont get that. I know its a lot but if u could look at these minor tweaks. Thanks

Man, if every I went with every "team expert" and their advice, wouldn't it be quicker to just go +10 for every rating for your favorite team!?! lol

Put it to you another way, if I simply go in and "fix" these ratings for every team, you go back to the same vanilla ratings of yesterday where 95% of all CBs in the league are separated by 5 SPD rating points. That means we go back to a Madden where CB backups John Bowie and Darrick Brown are just as good on the Madden field as Pro Bowler Nnamdi Asomugha because they were fast and had respectable 65-70-ish man and zone coverage ratings. That to me was not real to life whatsoever. So we still keep those guys fast, but their intangible ratings like man and zone are stretched out to seperate the Asomughas from the Darrick Browns of the world.

[Sidenote Raider fans: Chris Johnson has received a much needed SPD boost in the Week 1 update.]

I'll be perfectly honest here, if you can't come to the table with just as many things that need to go down about your team that need to go up, it really doesn't add much to the overall feedback that I get. All I see over and over is some joker with his NFL team avatar on the left giving me a lecture about why I have underrated Mr. 15 career catch Chaz Schilens so badly or how your favorite team guy is underrated in speed because of a forty time he ran years ago. The guys that come to the table with legit arguements, both about guys too low and too high, that type of thing comes across much more informed and much less homer-ish.

Which at the end of the day, if your goal is to get YOUR guy rated higher, why not approach in a more fair and balanced approach where there is some give and take.

DAMN, thats what I was just going to say!!!! dont leave yet!!! lol!

people, youre being homers... you added a million players that want to go up but no one that either should go down or stay where theyre at, man Donny Ill post some suggestions in a little bit that make sense and hit u up on twitter to let you know.. ill try to get stats and everything... and NO i dont think that Harris should go up, guys, when you look at the top CBs in the NFL, he MIGHT be a little underrated, but hes really not that much... no reason to complain here.. theres players that have questionable ratings, and then theres some that are actually rated bad, dont complain for the questionable ones...

i have faith in gbpackersfan to help get the Packs ratings right.

As long as Hawk dips a bit and A-Rodg bumps up. I'll be happy.

Jermichael Finley-Perhaps the most improved player on the Packers’ roster, the second-year tight end showed off his athleticism and turned into a big-time playmaker. He was a consistent performer in practice, rarely dropping a pass, and made big plays in each of the first three preseason games.

Aaron Rodgers: It’s hard to imagine a starting quarterback playing much better than Rodgers did. Sure he had a couple of shaky practices, but he was near perfect in the first three preseason games. He showed an even better command of the offense than he did last season as a first-year starter and has gained an even greater trust from his teammates and coaches.

Charles Woodson: The veteran cornerback showed he can be a major playmaker in the 3-4 defense. He and safety Nick Collins were interception machines in practice and in games, he’s been effective as a blitzer. Any questions about whether he’d fit into the new scheme have been answered.

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