The Masters

ps3.gsd9999 wrote:

xbox.the 2 scorpians wrote:

ps3.gsd9999 wrote:Just remember Mike, that the people who like to play tournaments more than once are your customers too. Just because a small cabal of "Hardcore" players have been badgering you to make these tournaments single try, does not mean that the majority of your customers want it too.

I buy a video game to play it when, and how often, I want. So please don't be forced into making changes to the game without considering the effect on large numbers of paying customers who are happy with the ability to retry tournaments.

If you make the game too inaccessible, or too hard, people may stop buying the game.

Rubbish post

Thank you for your insightful feedback.

YOUR WELLCOME, so if your not very good at this game how will multi retry's tournaments improve your game, you would be better spending more of your time practicing the game than 25-30 multi retry's tournaments trust me i know.

xbox.TonyTurbo78 wrote:

Possibly the 1 try function can apply to tour mode tournaments only.

Yes Fred for sure. This is certainly what I'd like to see. That way you keep the default golfers happy to shoot as many times as you want and have Tour Pro players that are by large the golf purists have 1 try only. After all Tour Pro is meant to be the most challenging game.

On this note. The online leaderboards.....will they be seperated by skill level? Or are all Live tournaments regardless of skill level accounted for and worked out giving a total of all money won?

Tony I find your comments a little bit condescending to DEFAULT players like me it should be ONE TRY FOR everybody

xbox.the 2 scorpians wrote:

ps3.gsd9999 wrote:

xbox.the 2 scorpians wrote:

ps3.gsd9999 wrote:Just remember Mike, that the people who like to play tournaments more than once are your customers too. Just because a small cabal of "Hardcore" players have been badgering you to make these tournaments single try, does not mean that the majority of your customers want it too.

I buy a video game to play it when, and how often, I want. So please don't be forced into making changes to the game without considering the effect on large numbers of paying customers who are happy with the ability to retry tournaments.

If you make the game too inaccessible, or too hard, people may stop buying the game.

Rubbish post

Thank you for your insightful feedback.

YOUR WELLCOME, so if your not very good at this game how will multi retries tournaments improve your game, you would be better spending more of your time practicing the game than 25-30 multi retries tournaments trust me i know.

I do not recall saying I was not very good at the game. Neither do you have any evidence that I play the daily 20-30 times. As it happens, I never play the daily more than three times. I get in the top 25 about 1 out of 3 days that I play. My best black tee tour mode score is -27 at Wentworth. I mostly play 18 hole gamernet challenges, and although I haven't played much in the last few weeks, I'm still holding 4th place on the 18 hole gamernet leaderboard.

Given the limited amount of time I have to play the game, I'm very happy with my standard of play. I'll never be the best, but I get a lot of enjoyment from the game.

Multi-try dailies may not improve my game, but I don't see why a small group of "hardcore gamers" should think they have the right to prevent everybody else from playing more than once, just because that's the way they want to play the game.

xbox.the 2 scorpians wrote:

xbox.TonyTurbo78 wrote:

Possibly the 1 try function can apply to tour mode tournaments only.

Yes Fred for sure. This is certainly what I'd like to see. That way you keep the default golfers happy to shoot as many times as you want and have Tour Pro players that are by large the golf purists have 1 try only. After all Tour Pro is meant to be the most challenging game.

On this note. The online leaderboards.....will they be seperated by skill level? Or are all Live tournaments regardless of skill level accounted for and worked out giving a total of all money won?

Tony I find your comments a little bit condescending to DEFAULT players like me it should be ONE TRY FOR everybody

If thats how you feel then there's not alot I can do about that. That's certainly not what I was trying to achieve.

GSD --

So what you're saying is that you like playing the game as it is...

But we -- and there are a lot of us -- shouldn't be able to play it as we want to? I find that very, very selfish.

The point being, Tiger already caters to the way you like, if you're here defending it, and no one -- again, no one -- is seeking to take that away from you. But this game is supposedly a SIMULATION of PGA Tour Golf. It is not surprising that there are many that would like a mode that accurately reflects this.

The whole point of Tour golf is that the playing field is level and every shot counts. Simply having options to make the game harder for ourselves while everyone else does their own thing is not what we're after and misses the spirit of the point. We want to play the game at the highest level, with everyone facing the same challenge.

Just because you don't want that challenge, don't begrudge us that we do. The Tiger team has made it clear over the years that you will always have your place and way to play the game. We are merely striving for the same, and 1 try tournaments is the smallest of steps in that direction.

No one is saying don't develop the game as you like it, which is fundamentally TW. But you're saying don't develop a mode for all of us? One that accurately reflects golf? In a golf game? I don't think that's very sporting.

xbox.GAFF wrote:No one is saying don't develop the game as you like it, which is fundamentally TW. But you're saying don't develop a mode for all of us? One that accurately reflects golf? In a golf game? I don't think that's very sporting.

GAFF, I'm quoting you here to help emphasize the point that EA Sports' decision to throw a couple of bones of support to the simulation minded purists has not, and will not affect the game in its default form. We'll be the guys going into the menus and making intentional choices to configure the game to play closer to the way we want it to play.

Now, if gsd9999 comes in here a month from now complaining that he can no longer shoot -27 at Wentworth in Tour Pro mode, I'll have to concede that he may have a point that the changes did affect the way he plays the game. But I'll go ahead and give you a preview of what I'll say to him if that happens - "have you tried playing Pro difficulty?"

ps3.gsd9999 wrote:

MAIN.EAcom Golf Tim wrote:

ps3.gsd9999 wrote:Just remember Mike, that the people who like to play tournaments more than once are your customers too.

Unless I am missing something, I don't see where anyone is talking about removing anything from the game, simply adding to it....

What you, and the others, seem to be advocating is that EA should create a part of the game that only your own select band of brothers will be good enough to play.

To me that means when I buy the game I'm paying for the development of pasrt of the game I may never be good enough to play. If you get your way, there will be a significant part of the game that might never be accessable to a large number of customers.

I don't happen to think that's right.

Sorry, but you are wrong. EA has been offering one try only tournament features in EVERY version of TW up until the 360 and PS3 showed up. It has been a part of the PC version EVERY year. So my apologies, but I disagree with your statement completely since Mike has stated this would be ADDITIONAL content to the game taking NOTHING away from what console users already have.

MAIN.JCauthen04 wrote:

Now, if gsd9999 comes in here a month from now complaining that he can no longer shoot -27 at Wentworth in Tour Pro mode, I'll have to concede that he may have a point that the changes did affect the way he plays the game. But I'll go ahead and give you a preview of what I'll say to him if that happens - "have you tried playing Pro difficulty?"

If the only changes are those which the user can choose from the options menu, then I don't see the problem. It's when changes to the core game mean that these changes are built into a level where you would have no choice that bothers me.

I would find it a bit difficult to come here in months time to talk about my scores. Being from the UK, the game will not have been released here by then. In any case, I wont complain whatever my score is. I accept that the scoring in the new game is likely to be higher than in TW09, but that's OK, it will be the same for everyone. I have my way of playing the game, and as long as third party controllers, green chipping and multi-try dailies are not banned from the game, I'll do just fine.

Have fun.

ps3.gsd9999 wrote:as long as third party controllers, green chipping and multi-try dailies are not banned from the game, I'll do just fine.

Have fun.

... I hope you've got your flame suit on!

MAIN.EAcom Golf Tim wrote:

Sorry, but you are wrong. EA has been offering one try only tournament features in EVERY version of TW up until the 360 and PS3 showed up. It has been a part of the PC version EVERY year. So my apologies, but I disagree with your statement completely since Mike has stated this would be ADDITIONAL content to the game taking NOTHING away from what console users already have.

What you say may be true, but I started playing TW golf with TW08 on the PS3. Anything that went before that on other platforms is irrelevant to my experience.

Look. I realise that I am not going to win any arguments on this subject. You, and your friends, seem to have the ear of the developers at the moment and you will probably get some of the things you want. I just want to make sure that Mike is aware of other views when he is thinking about adding features that would only be of interest to a relatively small number of hardcore gamers.

I suspect that very soon the clamour will come for even more changes. It has already started and the demo has only been out for a few days. We will be back her in a years time saying we want more. I'm sure that has also been the case in the past. There just needs to be a fairness in the game and I'm sure everybody will be happy. Or perhaps that is just wishful thinking.

You know, gsd, that sounds just about right. I could absolutely believe you play the game that way.

But a lot of us look forward to the day we have a MODE that people who would do the above wouldn't even bother to play. Too hard and too much like real golf for them. We get to that day, Mike, you'll have really done something to grow your base without taking anything away from those users you already have who enjoy the arcade experience.

MAIN.JCauthen04 wrote:

ps3.gsd9999 wrote:as long as third party controllers, green chipping and multi-try dailies are not banned from the game, I'll do just fine.

Have fun.

... I hope you've got your flame suit on!

I couldn't resist putting that in>

Right, gsd. And if it's irrelevant to YOUR experience, that's all that matters...

Again, no one wants to take anything away from YOU or other players who enjoy the easier versions. That's already there and it's not going anywhere, given EA's business practices. It's silly to begrudge others what little progress they have made in getting a playable simulation. Which, again, the game purports itself to be in the first place.

xbox.GAFF wrote:You know, gsd, that sounds just about right. I could absolutely believe you play the game that way.

But a lot of us look forward to the day we have a MODE that people who would do the above wouldn't even bother to play. Too hard and too much like real golf for them. We get to that day, Mike, you'll have really done something to grow your base without taking anything away from those users you already have who enjoy the arcade experience.

See, there you go getting all high an mighty. Are y ou really saying that you want the game to be so hard that the casual player would go away and not bother to try to play in your own private game level?

That is very sad, and I feel your pain.

GSD, gotta admire your hardheadness in the issue with nobody else defending your side.

I will say this, as you have no experience with the game when it actually was 1 try, if they can get it implemented I hope you at least give it a chance. I think you'll find with the level you are at (top 25 once in 3 tournaments w/ 3 tries) that you will find you would be placing more often when all the other less skilled golfers who do many more tries are now not placing higher that your 3 try skill level. This method truly does give more people a chance to place as most people don't have all day to replay for the best score.

Between 365 default dailies, 365 tour dailies, 52 weekly default dailies, 52 weekly tour dailies, and 40 or so play the pro tournaments, plus online and Gamernet to your hearts content I see there will be plenty of golf this year, in fact alot more than any year previously.