Zerk, We (console players) deserve a response

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Prone = simply a quick programming script that doesn't take more than a few weeks to make*.

I think it wouldn't take more than a day, Maybe 2 or 3, if Dice decide to add it.

I personally don't care if prone is in or not. I just hope they don't drop all support for the game like they did with 1943 (although that case is excused). If they did, I would get all the BF games (despite my crappy PC) and play until the end of days.

*LOL thanks for the heads-up k1ll8. I probably would've gotten tons of dirty looks.*

ps3.tdarr60 wrote:I think it wouldn't take more than a day, Maybe 2 or 3, if Dice decide to add it.

I personally don't care if porne is in or not. I just hope they don't drop all support for the game like they did with 1943 (although that case is excused). If they did, I would get all the BF games (despite my crappy PC) and play until the end of days.

Porn???

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MAIN.zerk16 wrote:

MAIN.Emperor Sulla wrote:Damn Zerk is one worthless piece of *. You people realize that the only info we're gonna get is just game info from him.

What we want is a game discussion. WHY is the PC getting stuff that a console should get as well?

I don't care what tank is in the game or your one sentence reasons as to why this is that.

Why is prone not in the game? a simple * question that no one here should have to wait for.

Are you really gonna wait until the time is right just to tell un the reason. Which will probably be something like,"We're * retarded what do you exspect?" (sorry putting an actual reason that would actually probably be used was to hard to write since any reason for no prone or anything esle that yall came up with would be stupid as * anyway)

Hey Sulla, just a quick fact check on my behalf.

DICE is making the game, not you. DICE has decided that, as of right now, prone will not be in the console version; but who knows, they can change their minds, but it's too early to officially announce anything game changing such as that. DICE decided that prone wasn't good enough to put in the console version of the game. If you want the prone so badly, then go play it on PC.

Thats all i can say for right now. Relax, because the game is still under a lot of development.

No * Dice is making the game. And trust me it's hard to believe since they've come a long way down from Modern Combat.

I don't buy PC games, I buy console games Zerk. And Modern Combat was a console game, a BATTLEFIELD console game, that had many of the things that Dice took out for their BC series. Stuff that for no reason was taken out. Why? Now we hear that the PC might have these thing and not the console, and your only defense is,"Well that the way it is." Well aren't you the big * help.

Perhaps you could be the help your supposed to be. The go to guy, and perhaps you can ask them a simple question, a question, a question. Nothing ground breaking, not asking for any spoilers.

Just ask them WHY prone is not in the * game? So that we can actually have a * reason? I mean that's all we're trying to figure out.

Can you do that, can that be a favor? Will asking that question for some reason give away the ending of the game?

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Oh, and let me answer the "Why we Harass Zerk" question. When the * hit the fan from the original BC beta, and we found out that BC was missing many of the things that Modern Combat's dated self to be fit perfectly, he tried to defend Dice's reasons.

and FAILED, and thus we gave him hell for it. See we had a go to game in Modern Combat as a reason, he didn't have anything. MC had prone,parachutes,team chat, smoke grenades, weapons that killed, tanks that killed, and so on. BC didn't have any of that. The graphically updated, smoother, destruction, BC was a super downgrade comparded to the previous game.

So going by the previous game and not to mention the ignorant answeres we were getting, Zerk began to be harassed for his just being the messenger. Dices reasons for no prone for example were retarded and not even rational. Defending those reasons put Zerk in a bad light, he was just defending Dice to defend Dice, and sometimes you can't win in that type of game. After a while he wouldn't even give any reasons just jump of the band wagon of a pro-Dice poster who was also defending them, and who didn't know what he was talking about either.

Since then Zerk gets some hostility in that department.

Sulla, chill out a bit. There's still like 5 months before release. That's plenty of time for them to hear us and put prone in the game. And if you really want prone in a game, go play OFP2 for now, or even buy MW2. Both games have prone, and MW2 is somewhat more tactical than the original. OFP is definitely tactical, if you don't mind all the horrible vehicle physics, the glitches that roam the game, and all the problems Codemasters couldn't fix.

Besides, instead of complaining for a game, why don't you just play it? You don't really need that powerful of a PC to run BF games. It won't look pretty, but it'll work and you'll still get an awesome experience out of it.

P.S. And even if Zerk asks them for some answers, its still up to DICE whether or not they'll disclose the information. If DICE thinks that prone will ruin the ending or people will start a riot for not telling them earlier, then OK. DICE isn't doing a very smart job of not telling us. And Zerk is just defending DICE to defend his job. He gets paid for it, you know.

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Is this seriously a thread whining about not being able to dolphin dive? I understand the concern for clan support but come on.

I could care less if prone was added or not, it's not really necessary. BF:BC 1 was fine without it. I can't think of how many times I really needed to go into the prone position.

In case you haven't noticed, the game isn't about camping back in the woods trying to get kills, it's about teamwork. No 10 player team on consoles is going to succeed when 5-7 players are sitting in the back of the map on a cliff in prone position with a sniper rifle getting 2-5 kills a match.

Like a previous poster said before me, the only reason it would be added on PC exclusively is because they would use it like it's meant to be used. I play on both PC and XBOX 360, and there is a HUGE difference in the type of players that inhabit both the platforms. If you don't believe me, go play Battlefield 2142 or Battlefield 2 on PC and tell me there isn't a difference between PC gamers and console gamers.

I'm not saying one is better than the other, I'm just saying apples don't need to be put in the same weather as lemons.

Let the producers make their game and leave the moderator alone about things he can not control.

Thanks DICE for not including prone. Thank you.
But heck, we'd love clan support for every version of the game!

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xbox.johnpr731 wrote:Is this seriously a thread whining about not being able to dolphin dive? I understand the concern for clan support but come on.

I could care less if prone was added or not, it's not really necessary. BF:BC 1 was fine without it. I can't think of how many times I really needed to go into the prone position.

In case you haven't noticed, the game isn't about camping back in the woods trying to get kills, it's about teamwork. No 10 player team on consoles is going to succeed when 5-7 players are sitting in the back of the map on a cliff in prone position with a sniper rifle getting 2-5 kills a match.

Like a previous poster said before me, the only reason it would be added on PC exclusively is because they would use it like it's meant to be used. I play on both PC and XBOX 360, and there is a HUGE difference in the type of players that inhabit both the platforms. If you don't believe me, go play Battlefield 2142 or Battlefield 2 on PC and tell me there isn't a difference between PC gamers and console gamers.

I'm not saying one is better than the other, I'm just saying apples don't need to be put in the same weather as lemons.

Let the producers make their game and leave the moderator alone about things he can not control.

Well dolphin diving was fixed in the Pc versions of the game and in Moderd combat. Means it was slower, thus easier to die if you tried doing it.

Also you can't camp for long with a Killcam.

and Moderd Combat was a very competitive game and everything was used the way it was supposed too.

I like this game. See that was the kind of post Zerk would have jumped on and said,"see see what he said."

Then people like me( and there are many like me for prone and other things, just look at all the polls and see who's always winning) would come along and pretty much say, "think again * breath."

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MAIN.Emperor Sulla wrote:What we want is a game discussion. WHY is the PC getting stuff that a console should get as well?

Alright Sulla, here is a discussion on the issue from DICE's viewpoint on a range of topics.

*edit* PC does not have Prone, my apologies for the miscommunication with everyone.

DICE feels that because the console versions of the game is at such a lower resolution (1280x720), compared to PC resolutions (as high as 2560x1600), that prone was breaking the fast paced action of the game and that it was too camper friendly. When DICE played with prone on consoles other players were nearly impossible to see while prone (until it was too late), and the matches often resulted in a camping festival between the defending team and the attacking team, complete with smores and campfire songs. The overall atmosphere felt slow, and the game wasn’t at its full fast-paced potential. When DICE played the matches with the prone turned off, it forced camping players to put more thought into their hiding spots, and it gave the attackers less of a disadvantage being able to see who was shooting at them and resulted in more fast paced gameplay.

Now, the reasons the PC platform are getting seemingly “better” features in the game are a result of DICE ignoring the PC user base for the past 3-4 years and this is a homage to the PC platform, and also because it’s a lot of things that PC users simply deserve. If you have played games on the PC for the last ten years you would know what I’m talking about, otherwise I won’t even try to explain... Also, k1ll8 saurav is completely correct about the difference of player’s between PC and consoles, and dedicated servers for PC’s are a must for any game like this on a PC platform, so don’t take it the wrong way. I don’t know DICE’s stance on clan support for the console version at this time, they have been back and forth on the topic and I don’t know why. If I find out I’ll let you know

Regarding player count on the pc…PC’s for obvious reason have much more powerful tech, thus allowing much more flexibility with things such as increased player count, so it would be flat out stupid to not take advantage of this and make the game more worthy of being on the PC instead of a direct port from a console version. You may say that this isn’t fair, but it really is and everything balances out (hey, we don’t get a slick Xbox LIVE interface and if I wanted that then I should play the xbox version). If you wanted a more powerful game, you should have bought a more powerful platform, plain and simple.

Last but not least, the PC platform is usually expected to put up with a lot more “crap” compared to consoles. While consoles may get the game on a certain date, PC users typically have to wait much longer for the same game, but in turn, they get the game for a lower price because there are no licenses/compliance issues associated with PCs like consoles have, and typically they get a few more perks thrown in compared to consoles just for good measure. PC customers are a much tougher crowd then consoles are so DICE has to appeal to them in as many ways as possible, but why not? They deserve it after having a steady history of constantly getting the shaft. Also on a side note, If it wasn’t for the PC platform you wouldn’t be playing the game on consoles right now.

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I love it when Dice proves their retardation.

This answer seems like rehash from BC 1, is that so, or is this their answer for BC2?

If so how in the FLYING * can you camp for long period of time when their is a * KILLCAM?

also you can camp crouching,standing, in a tank for fucksake. Proning is not a camp only position anyone can do it in anyway. So that part makes no sense.

and the PC is getting better features because they were ignored? WTF. Also Modern Combat was a competitive BF game and for the Hardcore genra. BC wasn't. In fact Dice said themselves they underestimated the hardcore style of the consoles. Clearly they have backtracked.

Your just writing your own answer aren't you? This wasn't from Dice's own mouth was it?

Sigh......

BC2 PC fans don't need to worry. Demize post at the EA Uk forums said that BF2 devs are making the PC version of BC2, so we should expect a true PC game, no bull s***.

"We feel it's important to support the unique community needs of the PC community. Dedicated servers are a big part of this, and we recognize that requirement. We're putting a server browser and matchmaking in 1943 PC and the same features are intended for BFBC2. We're working hard on the PC version with a dedicated team building and molding the game so it is not a console port. This team is lead by DICE developers responsible for Battlefield 2. Very experienced and hardcore PC gamers. " - http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/battlefield-bad-company-2/838715-please-dont-let-happen-bc2.html

If it was a choice between prone and clan support I'd take clan suport every time

All I can say right now is that the PC version deserves prone, but I'm still not sure about the console version. Until DICE has the time to do many more play tests, maybe even release a closed beta, and see how the general population plays the game with prone in, then no.

Prone isn't all that big of a feature, so DICE can add it in any time. Even with a patch. So, if console gamers are just begging for prone, then they can add it in. I don't see that big of a reason with prone anyways. Sulla says that since DICE found out us console players are more hardcore than before (typically because most of the BC sales went to BF fans, and COD dropouts who began to think), Zerk is lying to us. How is prone going to change our hardcoreness?

In reality, having prone out of the game makes the game more challenging, thus more skill, and thus more hardcoreness. Because we don't have prone, we have to think much harder for our hiding spots (although our hiding spots have shriveled into 1/4 of what we could because of destruction).

Honestly, if DICE wants to add it, then fine. If they don't, cool by me. All in all, DICE never visits these forums and relies entirely on Zerk to inform them on what the fans are saying. And even then, it depends on DICE's ability to listen. There looks to be a pretty strong community for BF2 still, and a very powerful PC isn't required to play it, so just buy it (the entire collection is now $9.99 on Gamestop).

All you need to do is probably upgrade your graphics card (if you're not a PC gamer) and get help installing it, if you need any.

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This thread is verification that console fan-boys are just as whiny as PC fan-boys

To Sulla:

If not having prone in a game pisses you off that much then don't buy it. Spend your hard earned money else where. Voice your opinion but don't lash out at Zerk who has no control whether prone is placed in the game or not. If you showed some respect it might validate your opinion more and if not then your opinion holds little to no water.

As far as my opinion goes, owning both PS3 and a nice PC, I feel that it doesn't really matter. Whether I buy it on PS3 or PC, I know that I will enjoy the game for what it is. I played all the versions of Battlefield (1942 to BC1) and I trust in DICE to make the right decisions for all platforms and if by some chance they mess it up then I won't buy the game, simple as that. But when has DICE messed up a Battlefield game?

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to who ever said prone is the most important stance in a fire fight has obviously never been in one. I am speaking from how Marines operate as I was in the Corps for 5 years and I don't remember ever being prone, except for ambushes. yes you gain a very stable platform to shoot with, hence why when we qualify we shoot from the 300 and the 500 in it, but it is not practical to use closer than that as you lose mobility. and I know that it gives the smallest profile/silhouette, but it is not practical in modern combat where speed wins and complacency kills. Most combat since the last gulf war, besides between tanks, has happened closer than 200 meters. Marines are trained to close with and destroy the enemy through the use of fire and maneuver. Prone doesn't give the chance for very much maneuverability. Even my brother who was an SDM in Afghanistan didn't spend much time in the prone, unless he was on overwatch, or ambushes. In maneuver warfare, prone has no position, except in a defensive role, last I checked this game was focusing on fast paced play, not setting up a bivouac, but what would I know I am a dumb Marine....

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