Player play style website

What about simply creating a Wikipedia page since they're editable by anybody? Dunno why I didn't think of it earlier lol.

cem_ea_id.danPlayer1 wrote:I think implementing the play style choices is a good idea to give us a quick overview before a match. Maybe even some kind of rating system where people can rate the overall enjoyability of a match on a scale of 1-5 stars.

Also, it would be nice if there was a way we could edit these things. I realize I made a typo in a couple of players names, and my initial review of DGshowtime pegged him as a mid-court drop shot spammer (which he was), but he has since changed to a more baseline style of play. It would be good to make a note of that so other players don't avoid him based on the way he used to play.

Dan, providing editing functionality will take some time to implement, so I will have to postpone it for the future. For now, I have disabled the one review per reviewer limit, so you can post again on the same player. I will add the player play style options and overall enjoyability options sometime later this week when I have more time.

wii.Gotaplanstan wrote:What about simply creating a Wikipedia page since they're editable by anybody? Dunno why I didn't think of it earlier lol.

The problem with Wikipedia page is that when everyone can edit the content there is problem of rules enforcements - not to overwrite someone's else reviews etc. Also it might become unmanageable with 1000s of users. The current site that I built is on $5 per month webhosting and looks like it will be fully covered by the adsense clicks. So no cost to anyone and we can have a site that with a few more weeks of reviews by folks will be really helpful down the line. I wish I had started on this a few months ago, when I mainly wanted to track all the mid courters who caused me a lot of problems when I was primarily playing with AI.

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For all the "whiny baseliners" who may have missed it

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To be honest, many descriptions on that site sound very emotional (angry). As if the authors want to pillory their opponents in order to let out their frustration (maybe because real chat is not possible in GST). A questionable method...

I think all these player descriptions on that site should be taken with a pinch of salt. You can never know how these players play most of the time if you only played against them once. Maybe in that one match they played in a different way than they normally do. Some might try anti-tennis one or a few times, but are normally baseliners. Some might adapt their strategy to the way their opponent plays. And complaining about laggy players is quite senseless, because connection quality primarily depends on the distance between both players, with a few exceptions.

cem_ea_id.Epon wrote:To be honest, many descriptions on that site sound very emotional (angry). As if the authors want to pillory their opponents in order to let out their frustration (maybe because real chat is not possible in GST). A questionable method...

I think all these player descriptions on that site should be taken with a pinch of salt. You can never know how these players play most of the time if you only played against them once. Maybe in that one match they played in a different way than they normally do. Some might try anti-tennis one or a few times, but are normally baseliners. Some might adapt their strategy to the way their opponent plays. And complaining about laggy players is quite senseless, because connection quality primarily depends on the distance between both players, with a few exceptions.

Well, most of the descriptions I left are only of players I've played at least 3-5 times so I get a general idea of how they play (thats kind of why I don't post THAT much). And the lag thing also has to do with both player's connection speed, the bigger the difference there is, odds are the one with the worse connection will have an advantage. Thats the reason I do make note of it in my comments because that gives other stateside (or anybody else worldwide with a fast connection) a heads up that they might be in for a laggy match if they try to play someone.

Idk about the whole adapting play thing, I find that it generally at least for me (even against t campers) works in my favor to force my opponents to play my style (at the baseline) as best I can. Even if I can't beat a baseliner (the only one I've lost badly to was lag filled and have only played once thus far) I'd rather remain there and go down swinging than try to do something I'm not as good at like serving and volleying. But thats just me so take it with a grain of salt.

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Almost every really good player in this game plays both the net and baseline very effectively and mixes both in their game, the bottom line is if you dont play both ways decently(either the baseline or at the net) you will lose too much to someone who is really good at forcing you to play their game. (and no matter how good you are some games you are simply forced to play the net or the baseline)

Thats the real difference I have found between the best players and everyone else, there is no real strategy that they dont have an answer for.

Just because I prefer to play tennis at the baseline the way the sport itself is IRL doesn't mean I can't adapt and play well at the net. Ask Nath, Amylee, or Manu about how I've beat them before playing their way. Its just not fun to me so I force people to play my way when they aren't. Its pretty easy once you start mixing drop shots, top spin shots, and lobs into a short game and they get lobbed/dropped/passed consistantly. They wise up quick and step back, but they're usually not as good back there as I am so it makes my life even easier

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I agree that a good player should be able to adapt and counter any style. IRL, a good baseliner can easily beat a serve and volley player (that's why so few people play that style). Not always the case in this game though. The best net rushers are often impossible to beat from the baseline so you're forced to play their style.

Still, I have no problem with playing at the net or mixing in the occasional s&v (I did so in my last match against Gotaplanstan and it worked out well

). I've even left positive feedback on gamerplaystyle.com for players who played a semi-realistic style of s&v (specifically SonicUrineBoy and SoFierceDcom).

What I don't appreciate (and what has been debated to death on this forum since the game first came out) are the "anti-tennis" players, i.e. those who lob the return and rush the net EVERY point, camp at the T, or hit nothing but drop shots and lobs. It's not realistic (yes, I'm aware that it's just a game) and I don't find playing them the least bit enjoyable.

That doesn't mean I can't beat them though. I have a well-rounded enough game that I can win against almost any style, even the anti-tennis style. In fact, the only ranked matches I've lost in the last 2 months were to V1N1C1US, DGshowtime, and one to AmyLee due to the serve bug (which she is notorious for abusing). So it's not just about winning.

My feedback on the website reflects the overall enjoyability of the match. I can't recall any instance where I came off as angry. For the most part, I just write how my opponent played, whether or not I found the match enjoyable, and, occasionally, my strategy for winning. I don't care if they were just "trying anti-tennis for the first time," as Epon said, or if that's how they normally play. If I play them again and they use different tactics, I leave new feedback (like I did for DGshowtime after he switched to a baseliner).

I do agree that the reviews should be taken with a grain of salt, unless the player has a substantial amount of feedback (as in the case of mhoomax or Amylee). Just because one person had a bad experience against a particular player doesn't mean that everyone will. Take for example this guy MrMoozadell. I remember playing a great, competitive match with him once. Yet this other guy Glitchmasta (who btw, happens to be one of the worst players I've played) leaves a review saying he sucked. Who do you trust?

cem_ea_id.danPlayer1 wrote:I agree that a good player should be able to adapt and counter any style. IRL, a good baseliner can easily beat a serve and volley player (that's why so few people play that style). Not always the case in this game though. The best net rushers are often impossible to beat from the baseline so you're forced to play their style.

Still, I have no problem with playing at the net or mixing in the occasional s&v (I did so in my last match against Gotaplanstan and it worked out well ). I've even left positive feedback on gamerplaystyle.com for players who played a semi-realistic style of s&v (specifically SonicUrineBoy and SoFierceDcom).

What I don't appreciate (and what has been debated to death on this forum since the game first came out) are the "anti-tennis" players, i.e. those who lob the return and rush the net EVERY point, camp at the T, or hit nothing but drop shots and lobs. It's not realistic (yes, I'm aware that it's just a game) and I don't find playing them the least bit enjoyable.

That doesn't mean I can't beat them though. I have a well-rounded enough game that I can win against almost any style, even the anti-tennis style. In fact, the only ranked matches I've lost in the last 2 months were to V1N1C1US, DGshowtime, and one to AmyLee due to the serve bug (which she is notorious for abusing). So it's not just about winning.

My feedback on the website reflects the overall enjoyability of the match. I can't recall any instance where I came off as angry. For the most part, I just write how my opponent played, whether or not I found the match enjoyable, and, occasionally, my strategy for winning. I don't care if they were just "trying anti-tennis for the first time," as Epon said, or if that's how they normally play. If I play them again and they use different tactics, I leave new feedback (like I did for DGshowtime after he switched to a baseliner).

I do agree that the reviews should be taken with a grain of salt, unless the player has a substantial amount of feedback (as in the case of mhoomax or Amylee). Just because one person had a bad experience against a particular player doesn't mean that everyone will. Take for example this guy MrMoozadell. I remember playing a great, competitive match with him once. Yet this other guy Glitchmasta (who btw, happens to be one of the worst players I've played) leaves a review saying he sucked. Who do you trust?

I trust both because theyre both opinions, fun match for one person can be a boring or easy match for another. Hence why you have to take the opinions with a grain of salt, Id actually say too many of the reviews are simply angry frustration or nothing more than gloating about a win. I mean I know people are proud of a win but I dont care about the score or if you won just let me know how they play.

does the carriage return key get disabled in posts? it doesnt seem to be formatting correctly?

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Had a mammoth 11 match session with a guy called

ThebestisPS

10-1 to me!!! He was an out and out serve volleyer, but a traditional one, not a tline hog or whatever you whiners call them!

Then I played Iammachine, and beat him , then looked on the player style page to see comments, and I have to say they did seem rather overly negative. He does try to get to the net at every opportunity but I never felt that he was doing cheap tactics or anything. I lobbed him easily a few times, but he still chose to come in, so isnt that a players right?

Not once did he lob a serve of mine, for example, something which Imi DID do against me, (not that I minded to be honest, it was his volleys I had problems with!) and I feel that that is a tactic which is MUCH more questionable than camping at the net. By camping at the net a player is putting himself at risk. Against Imi I couldnt take advantage but against IAMmachine I was much more relaxed and playing well, haing come off a 9 match streak against the previous net player I mentioned, so I was able to deal with his net play better.

Yes it can be a tad irritating to face lots of drop shots, but I still maintain that if you reach them YOU are the one with all the options. You can "camp" it up all you want on the t line but there is no way you can cover EVERY possible shot. So the onus is on you to PICK the right shot that will fool him.

ps

and may I add, thank the lord for Chris Everts lob, it won me a lot of matches this evening!!!!!

cem_ea_id.danPlayer1 wrote:
. Take for example this guy MrMoozadell. I remember playing a great, competitive match with him once.

Must have been quite a match did you hold both controllers?

ps3.MrJamesSmith wrote:

Not once did he lob a serve of mine, for example, something which Imi DID do against me, (not that I minded to be honest, it was his volleys I had problems with!) and I feel that that is a tactic which is MUCH more questionable than camping at the net.

I only lobbed a few of your serves to mix things up (to keep you guessing) and didn't use it as a primary tactic.

wii.frankylie wrote:does the carriage return key get disabled in posts? it doesnt seem to be formatting correctly?

I will fix that issue in the next few days.

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