xbox.Terminater24 wrote:lol I didn't see anything. I just hate when people think the jab is useless in this game when it clearly isn't. These guys are just not good at using the jab to set up their power punches and all the other stuff its used for. The jab is already way effective if used correctly.

cem_ea_id.AngryEnglish wrote:<<< waving arms like a mad man


the simplest fix for a lot of the spamming, if lennox lewis hit you twice in the face with a jab one after the other, i dont care who you are, your taking a step back, as it is now, you can hit someone 10 times in the face and they walk right thru it and proceed to spam the body.

also just let me add this: anyone who says the jab is fine in fight night round 4 has either

A: never boxed

B: not to smart on the mechanics and fundamentals of boxing

C: dont use it

The jab is and always will be one of if not THE most important punches in boxing, its a range finder, it interupts your opponents motion and punches by screwing the timing up, and it always sets up the finish product. Tyson was known for his great hooks and uppercut, but what many people dont realise is for such a small guy he had a good jab also and used it many many times when crashing his bombs home

ps3.Bluster_Blade wrote:

xbox.Terminater24 wrote:lol I didn't see anything. I just hate when people think the jab is useless in this game when it clearly isn't. These guys are just not good at using the jab to set up their power punches and all the other stuff its used for. The jab is already way effective if used correctly.

so true man happy to see i am not the only one. who knows WHEN and HOW to use the JAB

ps3.canibuss wrote:

ps3.Bluster_Blade wrote:

xbox.Terminater24 wrote:lol I didn't see anything. I just hate when people think the jab is useless in this game when it clearly isn't. These guys are just not good at using the jab to set up their power punches and all the other stuff its used for. The jab is already way effective if used correctly.

so true man happy to see i am not the only one. who knows WHEN and HOW to use the JAB

Sliding continuously to be effective with your jab, isn't really being effective at all. It's not boxing either.

ps3.Bluster_Blade wrote:

ps3.canibuss wrote:

ps3.Bluster_Blade wrote:

xbox.Terminater24 wrote:lol I didn't see anything. I just hate when people think the jab is useless in this game when it clearly isn't. These guys are just not good at using the jab to set up their power punches and all the other stuff its used for. The jab is already way effective if used correctly.

so true man happy to see i am not the only one. who knows WHEN and HOW to use the JAB

Sliding continuously to be effective with your jab, isn't really being effective at all. It's not boxing either.

this is one of my many hater's say high pls and i am on ps3

xbox.Che Santana wrote:The only people I've found that the Jab doesn't stop are the swarming spammers. The guys who just won't get off you and throw non-stop. But for those people it sounds like the Marvelous December patch is going to handle....so with that, does that solve our jab problem?? aren't we pushing the envelope juuuuuusstt a wee bit? what if even just a minor adjustment causes for the jab to act as powerful as a hook? we'll are be screaming that people are spamming jabs...if it's the spammers and swarmers that we are afraid of then we don't need to worry about the jab. The patch is going to handle them for us... just some more of my rambling, it sounds pretty hostile in here though if your a fan of the Jab...this almost feels like a TPC vs. Buttons topic..people are throwing all types of "jabs" at each other about this one.. ......well, actually judging from this thread there are only 3 of us who like the jab..hahah

cem_ea_id.xxreignmakaxx wrote:

xbox.Che Santana wrote:The only people I've found that the Jab doesn't stop are the swarming spammers. The guys who just won't get off you and throw non-stop. But for those people it sounds like the Marvelous December patch is going to handle....so with that, does that solve our jab problem?? aren't we pushing the envelope juuuuuusstt a wee bit? what if even just a minor adjustment causes for the jab to act as powerful as a hook? we'll are be screaming that people are spamming jabs...if it's the spammers and swarmers that we are afraid of then we don't need to worry about the jab. The patch is going to handle them for us... just some more of my rambling, it sounds pretty hostile in here though if your a fan of the Jab...this almost feels like a TPC vs. Buttons topic..people are throwing all types of "jabs" at each other about this one.. ......well, actually judging from this thread there are only 3 of us who like the jab..hahah

I see its going to be a bit of a challenge to educate you as well as buster and Terminate, but I guess I'll address your post first.

1. No one is asking for a jab as strong as a hook. There are few who've ever had one that strong, one is going to be added to the game in December.

2. Not one of the people who've argued against the jab change, have proof that ANY and EVERYONE cant walk through the jab, no matter how or where its thrown. Its as simple as picking up a controller, telling someone to walk foward while you jab at them. They will not get dazed, the will not flinch, and will be at your chest in a few seconds.

3. NONE of you who oppose the change can provide "Visual" evidence of where people in Real boxing ignore jabs. You see in every fight, in every highlight, fighters making subtle head movements to make the jab miss, to launch their assualt. You saw Frazier bob and weave his head CONSTANTLY to avoid Ali's jab. Why because he had to respect it.

4. Those who oppose the change blatently IGNORE the visual evidence we provide, demonstrating how an effective jab, snaps an opponents' head back when it lands, stops them in their tracks because they CANT eat them. In addition, you pretend as if you dont see them using their hands to deflect the jab, while trying to get close.

5. Lastly, you try and downplay our boxing experience and knowledge with your "gaming skills" by telling us, we arent good, when the majority...there is a majority here, who support this thread are notably better players than you. Thats a cop out, because we've provided several examples of evidence in both the written and visual form that explains how the jab, is ineffective in Fight Night Round 4. Trust me, you've not played the game anymore than the rest of us.

I hope you'll soon understand, as all you really have to do is pay attention to any boxing match and notice that the fights take place at ranges just outside one another's jab, because either the taller/shorter/faster fighter has chosen to establish his jab, to control the fight. The slugfest you see only happens when, both fighters agree to ditch their jabs and throw bombs. A good jab is a mystery the opposing fighter must solve, but again, thats not required in Fight Night round 4, whether you "see it" or not.

Its clear as day. And there is zero hostility from people in support of this, thats just another thing you've imagined.

xbox.Terminater24 wrote:

Fear, I fear no one man.
What, you guys just don't know how effective the jab is in this game already is. Trust me, I fight both inside and outside and I am very very effective with my jab. I use it to set up my punches. That's what the jab does in this game. Its a range finder and it disrupts the opponent from figuring out your timing. It does way more then what the average noob on here thinks. It always does more damage then what people think. Its stop people in there tracks with the counter window, but its still the jab that is thrown that stop the person. Like it or not, it does everything it supposed to do except for the hard jab which is actually done through counters. You guys act like the jab is always supposed to be a powerful uppercut. Thats what most guys on here are intending it to do, which isn't even the case for most boxers. Only a select few had a very powerful jab that was able to stop people from coming in.

Heck Cotto used his jab against Margarito and look what it did to Margarito, he walked right through most of his dang jabs just to get inside and punish Cotto.

Heck Royjones barely didn't even use his jab in his prime and he is one of the best fighters of this era.

Either way, the jab is already a very important weapon in this game, and adding more stopping power to it will make it that much more unbalance. Too many tall fighters already that can easily just lean back against the shorter fighter who wont be able to reach the taller fighters head, but no one thinks about that because all the so called outside boxers just want all the advantage in the game. Ya all the tall fighters can just sit in the middle of the ring and just lean back and block low with no consequence whatsover. But no please fix the jab to make it more powerful for us fighters with long reach that will just throw that punch exclusively. Give me a break man, think about it, if not done correctly your gonna have a retarded Fight Night Round 3 again and the gameplay in that game was horrendous. But i'm guessing you love that game because of the way you want the jab implented like that where everyone will go with the best fighter with the strongest jab.

Also the smaller fighter should be able to step dash to get on the inside. Kinda like a diagonal step foward to the left or right depending on the stance. Not just the bob and weave move which is kinda of annoying to do sometimes. Everyone sees it coming and adding a different way to get inside would balance this game out more if the jab was to be changed.

xbox.Terminater24 wrote: Thats dumbest crap I ever heard. You think fighters only slug it out because both fighters agree to ditch the jab and throw bombs? Man go watch the Cotto vs Margarito fight. You think Cotto wanted to fight on the inside against Marg? No, he was forced to fight on the inside, he was broken down throughout the fight. You act as if you know everything but you don't know jack squat. Cotto used his jab, but Marg was walking through them and throwing body shots and punches from all angles. Marg used his slow long jab as a range finder ( which can be done in this game) basically to get on the inside and throw his powershots to the body and head throughout the fight.

Cotto didn't just say, I'm gonna slug it out with him because I don't want to control the fight on the outside anymore. You think you know what your talking about but what you said was one of the dumbest things Ive heard in awhile. Margarito forced Cotto to fight on the inside, Cotto didn't just want to abandon his jab so he can slug it out with the bigger Margarito, he had no choice but to slug it out with him because Margarito was in his face the entire fight walking him down ( spamming if you prefer ).

Everyone knows that some fighters have good strong jabs, but the fact of the matter is, your head movement in the game isn't like the head movement in real life which would be much harder to perform in the game than it would be in real life because of the fact that you cant walk and move your head at the same time except with the bob and weave move. If they had it to where your fighter can move your head at different angles and step in and punch from an angle then it would be no problem balancing the game out, but they don't have those kinda of moves like they do in real life which is why adding more power to the jab will make it seem like fight night round 3. Sockem bopper game with people just throwing jabs because its much faster and almost as powerful as hooks and easier to land especially with people throwing them like crazy in the game already just to try and score points. In this game your able to throw more than 150 jabs in one round and not be tired. If the jab was properly implented meaning stamina cost and all that other complicated stuff then it would be good, but for all the other reasons, it would just make this game unbalanced. Maybe they can do that for Fight night Round 5, but for 4 its doesn't have enough moves except for the bob and weave move to slip jabs correctly.

cem_ea_id.xxreignmakaxx wrote:

xbox.Terminater24 wrote:

Fear, I fear no one man.
What, you guys just don't know how effective the jab is in this game already is. Trust me, I fight both inside and outside and I am very very effective with my jab. I use it to set up my punches. That's what the jab does in this game. Its a range finder and it disrupts the opponent from figuring out your timing. It does way more then what the average noob on here thinks. It always does more damage then what people think. Its stop people in there tracks with the counter window, but its still the jab that is thrown that stop the person. Like it or not, it does everything it supposed to do except for the hard jab which is actually done through counters. You guys act like the jab is always supposed to be a powerful uppercut. Thats what most guys on here are intending it to do, which isn't even the case for most boxers. Only a select few had a very powerful jab that was able to stop people from coming in.

Heck Cotto used his jab against Margarito and look what it did to Margarito, he walked right through most of his dang jabs just to get inside and punish Cotto.

Heck Royjones barely didn't even use his jab in his prime and he is one of the best fighters of this era.

Either way, the jab is already a very important weapon in this game, and adding more stopping power to it will make it that much more unbalance. Too many tall fighters already that can easily just lean back against the shorter fighter who wont be able to reach the taller fighters head, but no one thinks about that because all the so called outside boxers just want all the advantage in the game. Ya all the tall fighters can just sit in the middle of the ring and just lean back and block low with no consequence whatsover. But no please fix the jab to make it more powerful for us fighters with long reach that will just throw that punch exclusively. Give me a break man, think about it, if not done correctly your gonna have a retarded Fight Night Round 3 again and the gameplay in that game was horrendous. But i'm guessing you love that game because of the way you want the jab implented like that where everyone will go with the best fighter with the strongest jab.

Also the smaller fighter should be able to step dash to get on the inside. Kinda like a diagonal step foward to the left or right depending on the stance. Not just the bob and weave move which is kinda of annoying to do sometimes. Everyone sees it coming and adding a different way to get inside would balance this game out more if the jab was to be changed.

I wont have to address much here, as you've failed to make any valid points.

1. No one accused you of fearing ANY person. I simply stated that you seemed the most concerned about changes to the game that seemed unfavorable to you. I'm more concerned with the balance of the game, I don't want another retarded game like Fight night round 3 where all people would use is the jab because it was powerful enough to change the tide without the other fighter getting tired because of it.

2. Using the jab to set up punches, is ONE function of the jab, we've listed atleast 6 of them. You cannot, "disrupt" anything with the jab, as your opponent can hit you at the same time you land a jab, or any punch for that mattter, all punches that are not missed result in traded exchanges. What you think that doesn't happen in real life often. People throw jabs and hit each other at the same time alot of times. And yes you can disrupt a power punch haymaker with it and off set their timing and confuse them with jabs as well so I don't know what your talking about but the jab is very useful.

3. Margarito was the Taller fighter with a significant reach advantage over Cotto, this is a bad example, by closing in Margarito had the ablity to be in range for hooks and uppercuts while in Cotto's jab range. Ya but you said the jab should be able to stop a fighter in their tracks all the time if landed flush, but now you say this is a bad example, thats BS this is a perfect example of a fighter willing to walk through jabs to get on the inside an slug it out with the fighter who wanted to stay on the outside.

4. Jones was so fast he never needed to use the jab as a LEAD punch, he did use the jab throughout his career, but he was fast enough to jump in and catch people even when they knew the Leaping left hook was coming. Yet another bad example. Exactly my point, unless you fix everything else in this game, the jab will be overpowering if close to fight nigh round 3. Unless you can do the moves Jones Jr does with leaping left hooks and using those crazy angles and leaping or dashing forward, to counter people jabs, then its pretty much like I said, its gonna be unbalanced if you put in a power jab with the only way to move in is with the bob and weave. They need more animation in the defensive moves like I said in my other post but you seem to ignore it because you just want to stand their and jab while the other guy is working his butt off to try and get on because of the limited defensive movements to get inside of a jab to fire their own shots.

5. You've said nothing to disprove my notion that you'll feel disadavanged when you currently hold all the advantages as an infigther. You want to preserve these and advantages and anything that comprimises that in your logic, is unbalanced. It mean you'll have to work harder to get inside, work harder to stay there, and actually do what exist in boxing to be succesful. I'm going to assume your one of the people that get destroyed by guys who walk in on you destroying your body and draining your stamina am i correct? Another thing I'm not even and inside fighter, I'm an outside boxer who counter punches and can brawl when need be. There is not 1 single top ranked inside fighter who chooses to fight on the inside and throw many punches I cannot beat. That includes both PS3 and xbox 360. I don't have cheap tactics anyone who knows and plays against my Ali or any other fast outside boxer knows this. I know the ins and outs of this game and know the advantages of inside fighting and outside fighting. You on the other hand only expect people to fight on the outside and probably don't know how to adjust to someone who is in your face ( Margarito style the whole fight ) and just throwing punches all day. Thats what all the counters and blocking and pushing and grabing is for in the game. Its not useless they are there for a reason.

Forunately for us, who want a boxing game that covers all aspects, or at least as many as possible, out number you.

xbox.Terminater24 wrote:

cem_ea_id.xxreignmakaxx wrote:

xbox.Terminater24 wrote:

Fear, I fear no one man.
What, you guys just don't know how effective the jab is in this game already is. Trust me, I fight both inside and outside and I am very very effective with my jab. I use it to set up my punches. That's what the jab does in this game. Its a range finder and it disrupts the opponent from figuring out your timing. It does way more then what the average noob on here thinks. It always does more damage then what people think. Its stop people in there tracks with the counter window, but its still the jab that is thrown that stop the person. Like it or not, it does everything it supposed to do except for the hard jab which is actually done through counters. You guys act like the jab is always supposed to be a powerful uppercut. Thats what most guys on here are intending it to do, which isn't even the case for most boxers. Only a select few had a very powerful jab that was able to stop people from coming in.

Heck Cotto used his jab against Margarito and look what it did to Margarito, he walked right through most of his dang jabs just to get inside and punish Cotto.

Heck Royjones barely didn't even use his jab in his prime and he is one of the best fighters of this era.

Either way, the jab is already a very important weapon in this game, and adding more stopping power to it will make it that much more unbalance. Too many tall fighters already that can easily just lean back against the shorter fighter who wont be able to reach the taller fighters head, but no one thinks about that because all the so called outside boxers just want all the advantage in the game. Ya all the tall fighters can just sit in the middle of the ring and just lean back and block low with no consequence whatsover. But no please fix the jab to make it more powerful for us fighters with long reach that will just throw that punch exclusively. Give me a break man, think about it, if not done correctly your gonna have a retarded Fight Night Round 3 again and the gameplay in that game was horrendous. But i'm guessing you love that game because of the way you want the jab implented like that where everyone will go with the best fighter with the strongest jab.

Also the smaller fighter should be able to step dash to get on the inside. Kinda like a diagonal step foward to the left or right depending on the stance. Not just the bob and weave move which is kinda of annoying to do sometimes. Everyone sees it coming and adding a different way to get inside would balance this game out more if the jab was to be changed.

I wont have to address much here, as you've failed to make any valid points.

1. No one accused you of fearing ANY person. I simply stated that you seemed the most concerned about changes to the game that seemed unfavorable to you. I'm more concerned with the balance of the game, I don't want another retarded game like Fight night round 3 where all people would use is the jab because it was powerful enough to change the tide without the other fighter getting tired because of it.

2. Using the jab to set up punches, is ONE function of the jab, we've listed atleast 6 of them. You cannot, "disrupt" anything with the jab, as your opponent can hit you at the same time you land a jab, or any punch for that mattter, all punches that are not missed result in traded exchanges. What you think that doesn't happen in real life often. People throw jabs and hit each other at the same time alot of times. And yes you can disrupt a power punch haymaker with it and off set their timing and confuse them with jabs as well so I don't know what your talking about but the jab is very useful.

3. Margarito was the Taller fighter with a significant reach advantage over Cotto, this is a bad example, by closing in Margarito had the ablity to be in range for hooks and uppercuts while in Cotto's jab range. Ya but you said the jab should be able to stop a fighter in their tracks all the time if landed flush, but now you say this is a bad example, thats BS this is a perfect example of a fighter willing to walk through jabs to get on the inside an slug it out with the fighter who wanted to stay on the outside.

4. Jones was so fast he never needed to use the jab as a LEAD punch, he did use the jab throughout his career, but he was fast enough to jump in and catch people even when they knew the Leaping left hook was coming. Yet another bad example. Exactly my point, unless you fix everything else in this game, the jab will be overpowering if close to fight nigh round 3. Unless you can do the moves Jones Jr does with leaping left hooks and using those crazy angles and leaping or dashing forward, to counter people jabs, then its pretty much like I said, its gonna be unbalanced if you put in a power jab with the only way to move in is with the bob and weave. They need more animation in the defensive moves like I said in my other post but you seem to ignore it because you just want to stand their and jab while the other guy is working his butt off to try and get on because of the limited defensive movements to get inside of a jab to fire their own shots.

5. You've said nothing to disprove my notion that you'll feel disadavanged when you currently hold all the advantages as an infigther. You want to preserve these and advantages and anything that comprimises that in your logic, is unbalanced. It mean you'll have to work harder to get inside, work harder to stay there, and actually do what exist in boxing to be succesful. I'm going to assume your one of the people that get destroyed by guys who walk in on you destroying your body and draining your stamina am i correct? Another thing I'm not even and inside fighter, I'm an outside boxer who counter punches and can brawl when need be. There is not 1 single top ranked inside fighter who chooses to fight on the inside and throw many punches I cannot beat. That includes both PS3 and xbox 360. I don't have cheap tactics anyone who knows and plays against my Ali or any other fast outside boxer knows this. I know the ins and outs of this game and know the advantages of inside fighting and outside fighting. You on the other hand only expect people to fight on the outside and probably don't know how to adjust to someone who is in your face ( Margarito style the whole fight ) and just throwing punches all day. Thats what all the counters and blocking and pushing and grabing is for in the game. Its not useless they are there for a reason.

Forunately for us, who want a boxing game that covers all aspects, or at least as many as possible, out number you.

I'm all about balance, that is something your not about though. O well. Can't wait till the decemeber patch comes because I will show you how wrong you are about me being just an inside fighter and I will give you something to complain about again. If your not that good, your always gonna find something to complain about, but I guess its pretty much in sore losers blood anyways. As for me if I lose to anybody, it doesn't matter, I just learn from it and it gets me better for next time. That's all
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