The Masters

brian given your chosen style of play i too would be very proud of a -10. realy good score in that mode.





dgg

cem_ea_id.brianlevine wrote:EA has already stated that there will be no chip tracing from the green next year. I suspect that they will limit previews to one per shot (which I personally think is one too many ). Another solution for online play is to limit people to 10 seconds per shot.

All I can say is that when I shoot a -10, I feel pretty dang good about myself.

well il chip in here if they make it 10 secs a shot i wont be playing no more i struggle with 30 sec,i agree that u should only have 1 go at a tour rd if cut of it should start where u left i also like the idea at real golf mode albiet im not very good but at least every1 on same level,by all means keep the trcers and such but give people an option to play the game at its true format with no aids,i would also like the option if playing a casual game with a freind to actually see them shoot i know this would take a lot longer but would like as an option if both agreed

cem_ea_id.dadgotgame wrote:lol good one i will say that when i first started playing them i was shooting -10to -12. i kept practicing and as i got better my scores got better. practice is what it takes.no feeling sorry here for players that dont want to put the practice in to get better. there is just to much info on this forum for new players to read and practice to get better.if they choose not to take this info and practice it they should not complain about the scores.im am not competitive with -22 in these trnys but it is fun trying.



dgg

Dad, I don't mind putting in the time to get better, as I am realllly new at the game ( I stink) , however, the question was how to keep the online community growing? I look at the amateur weekly tourney this week, and the top 5 are all -70 or better. If I am new, why do I spend any time to even try this tourney format? What I think the game needs is leveled tourneys, blocked/grouped by skill/rank ratings. If I try the weekly tourney this week, I won't even come close to the top 200. This tourney format is for amateurs, right? - not folks who have 600+ hrs in on the game? I realise my score will vastly improve w/practice & time, but until that time arrives way down the road, there is no online tourney format for me to realistically (or, maybe more importantly) enjoy my current skills. Not a good way to grow the online community, IMHO.


kas

kascinoh as its been said earlier im am not competitive at -22 because i play them one time no redos.i understand what you are saying. if you are trying to win them then you will have to spend most of your playing time doing just that. i play them for fun could care less about winning them. as long as there are redos you will see these kind of scores. i suggest you check out the wiiga your game will vastly improve there very quickly and then you will be more competitive in these trnys. on another note the players that are no good at pro sets and have no interest in playing pro should not be banned from playing am should they. i agree that there should be a handicapping system in the am trnys.



dgg

The vast majority of Wii owners are young kids and older folks, and I would suggest that many of them have no interest in online gaming. The majority of the online gaming demographic head toward the Xbox and PC (and some PS3) I would believe

After not logging in for a couple days it was nice to see so many thoughtful posts. By the way... at 4pm EST there were 120 people online today, which is good. Maybe more Euros playing at that time.

As far as demographics vs intimidation (from low scores) debate I think both are right... I agree with ncd's analysis above. The hard core gamers just arent there. And as a kicker... when these groups (kids and older players) experiment online the intimidation issue may be more of a problem than it might be for a more balanced demographic. One small piece of evidence for this theory is the relatively high age of posters here and players on the WiiGA.

So what can we do? Seems like we are back to waiting for the HD Wii and praying that Nintendo breaks out of the family market to reach the core gamers. But EA should really give some thought to filtering very strong players out of amateur tournies. This might diminish the intimidation factor somewhat and open the door for more casual players.

I truly believe that one reason so many players end up rarely playing, or stop playing all together is our large group playing as assassins, or snipers. I know that as I was working to improve my game and ranking I would often become very frustrated by having the gains of several days play wiped out by one game with one of these players.

I finally decided I wasn't going to let these players drive me out of a game I love playing and now accept them as part of the game. I know many players started these personas as a way to deal with players they considered cheats or who were building their ranking by only playing poor players, but it is obvious that many of the ones out their now have expanded this to use against any other player.

I still run into these players, though it doesn't bother me so much now as I can now beat quite a few of them, but other then knowing you've beat them it does you little or no good because their personas are usually ranked so low that you gain little or nothing in rankings by beating them.

biggeo there is some merit to what you are saying. i believe this is a new wave of snipers and assasins.95% of the assasins that went after the gixers retired their assasins after the mission was accomplished .that was a few months back. i know that mine were retired and have yet to be seen again. i also know this to be true of the other players that participated in that have done the same.



dgg

cem_ea_id.dadgotgame wrote:kascinoh as its been said earlier im am not competitive at -22 because i play them one time no redos.i understand what you are saying. if you are trying to win them then you will have to spend most of your playing time doing just that. i play them for fun could care less about winning them. as long as there are redos you will see these kind of scores. i suggest you check out the wiiga your game will vastly improve there very quickly and then you will be more competitive in these trnys. on another note the players that are no good at pro sets and have no interest in playing pro should not be banned from playing am should they. i agree that there should be a handicapping system in the am trnys.



dgg

Agree 100%, I play 1 try 98% of the time also unless I flub the first hole, as long as they allow unlimited retries a perfect or better score will always win every tourny, but I cant stand restarts, takes all the fun out of playing the round, imo.

cem_ea_id.brianlevine wrote:

cem_ea_id.dadgotgame wrote:i will refer to the late grt bobby jones on this one. he was an amatuer who won proffessional major championships.he was still allowed to play amatuer events after winning these. as the gteatest player of his time he wasnt punished for being good.


dgg

Not questioning that, but I know that if I was a fairly new player trying to play in an online tournament, and I saw top scores of -28, I might be a bit discouraged.

I am a new player and I do see the -28 scores in what is supposed to be an "amateur" game and I am discouraged. Comparing Bobby Jones in here is way off since the players who are posting sub 20 scores in armature games is like the LA Lakers playing the local high school team or Tiger Woods playing in an amateur game if you want to keep the golf analogy. It is just unrealistic...even in the virtual world of video golf.

Quite honestly, the guys / gals who are posting sub 20 scores need to play in the Pros because they already know how to "manipulate" the game so that they can post such low scores. Leave the amateur tournys to us “hackers” who are new to TW Wii and are learning the ins and outs of the game. Let us have our place to play and hopefully we can become as good as you are some day to post a – 28 for a round.

Cheers,

SC

It's a nice thought, SpazCat, but it will just never happen. There will always be those players who want to win, even if it means beating up on amateurs. But not all of the good players play with those intentions either. Many of the top players like to challenge themselves and others to push the envelope on how far they can get under par with easier conditions.

I agree that just because something seems ideal to many, doesn't mean that everyone sees it as ideal. Personally, I really like the after-shot spin, classic putting, and standard swing. I perform very badly in comparison to others in pro tourneys, and I don't enjoy it either. I don't care what you call it, but unless I'm prevented in doing so I'll play the way that is fun for me. I do agree however that something needs to be done about scoring and leaderboards. It's called handicaps and it's covered in the "ideas for TW11" thread.

Glen

I am going to kill you all in next year's "real golf" tournaments. Ha ha ha..ha..ehh..heh...well, probably not.

Every so often, I get to play someone that I've played before, and I can see quite a dramatic increase in playing skills. When I played them the first time, it was easy to win and I wonder how they feel being beaten by 10 to 20 strokes. But they stuck it out and they really surprise me at just how far they have come along in such a short time. But they are definately in the minority. I just played a guy now that was getting double and triple bogies. Probably his first day online. If he quits on the first or second hole, I know he'll make it because he's worked out when he's out of his league and knows how to avoid the heartache. If he plays right through, I know he'll make it too, because he's determined. It's the ones that quit mid way that I'm most concerned about. I can just see the frustration and dissapointment of someone that was so excited to get online, so full of expectations, and then in the space of 15 minutes to have all hopes dashed. They're the ones that I never see again. If you take this further, it's pretty easy to see that unless someone has fun with this game in the first few rounds online, they are unlikely to buy again, or buy after having rented. EA are certainly making the game a great thing to play for those that do manage to get through the "weaning period" in online play. But I feel that until this situation is effectively resolved, we won't be seeing any growth in the TW community.

Does anyone really think that real life golf would be where it is today if not for handicaps? Would Jim Furyk, Paula Creamer and even Tiger Woods himself have stuck with it if it were not for handicaps?

i used to play to win, but this happens everytime:

im in first place, 5 minutes until the tourneys over! come on, come on.... F%#$ A&*%$#%!!!! Rudulpho waited till the last 5 minutes to submit a score. oh well. runner-up... AGAIN. maybe i should get a reward for most times runner-up do to Rudolpho posting a score in the last 5 minutes of the tourney.

wii.LongHitter wrote:i used to play to win, but this happens everytime:

im in first place, 5 minutes until the tourneys over! come on, come on.... F%#$ A&*%$#%!!!! Rudulpho waited till the last 5 minutes to submit a score. oh well. runner-up... AGAIN. maybe i should get a reward for most times runner-up do to Rudolpho posting a score in the last 5 minutes of the tourney.

So what is the persona name you use in the Live Tournaments? I don't see LongHitter anywhere on the top 100 All Time Leaders list. I would think that is you were finishing 2nd everyday you'd be right up there. Seems strange. I see your nemesis Rudolpho.

I have been reading this board for a few days now. Why must you always tell us how great you are?