cem_ea_id.MasterEnemy2 wrote:

cem_ea_id.SLB4EVER wrote:
Also I'm a slave?Why? Do I bash strikeforce,Dream and Bellator? Hell no. If a show sucks Ill say it, I'm not afraid to butlike I said, to bash an org at any given chance its PATHETIC. You need to take yown advice dude, because its all the same crap with you. You go out of your way to talk down about UFC fighters at any given chance. I suggest you do yourself a favor and get a life and stop telling other people to instead of looking at yourself

No. But then again; around here, with some of the more insecure posters you just can't think the UFC is better, or say a whole lot of positive about them.

They have to constantly flash their elitist prowess in these discussions to validate that what they think is the best; is really true. They fit this in between praying to their God: Fedor, and unwinding by watching all their saved 'youtube' videos of 'BloodstainLane' to pump themselves up.

Every day is a holiday for them.

They also swear to fight the evils of Brock Lesnar, and 'Tapout' T-shirts.

You say people on here are "insecure" while at the same time calling them "elitist". Sounds to me like your the one with the insecurity issues.

Also this quote disqualifies you from ever being taken seriously.

"Only guys he'd struggle with in SF are; Overeem and maybe Fedor.
So, thats 2 more guys he'd struggle with in the UFC. Guess he's in the right place huh?"

The maybe Fedor is just classic.....A guy that has been fighting for over 10 years with 6 years of straight finishes and his only defeat coming recently, would struggle against a guy that doesn't like to get hit, only been in the game for 2 years and already has 2 losses.....doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Out of all the times I have seen Fedor fight, I have never seen him get his as* kicked like Brock Lesnar has.

cem_ea_id.MasterEnemy2 wrote:

cem_ea_id.SLB4EVER wrote:
Also I'm a slave?Why? Do I bash strikeforce,Dream and Bellator? Hell no. If a show sucks Ill say it, I'm not afraid to butlike I said, to bash an org at any given chance its PATHETIC. You need to take yown advice dude, because its all the same crap with you. You go out of your way to talk down about UFC fighters at any given chance. I suggest you do yourself a favor and get a life and stop telling other people to instead of looking at yourself

No. But then again; around here, with some of the more insecure posters you just can't think the UFC is better, or say a whole lot of positive about them.

They have to constantly flash their elitist prowess in these discussions to validate that what they think is the best; is really true. They fit this in between praying to their God: Fedor, and unwinding by watching all their saved 'youtube' videos of 'BloodstainLane' to pump themselves up.

Every day is a holiday for them.

They also swear to fight the evils of Brock Lesnar, and 'Tapout' T-shirts.

Is that a bad thing?

You say people on here are "insecure" while at the same time calling them "elitist". Sounds to me like your the one with the insecurity issues.

-JBrock

The maybe Fedor is just classic.....A guy that has been fighting for over 10 years with 6 years of straight finishes and his only defeat coming recently, would struggle against a guy that doesn't like to get hit, only been in the game for 2 years and already has 2 losses.....doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Out of all the times I have seen Fedor fight, I have never seen him get his as* kicked like Brock Lesnar has.

-JBrock

He's never had to fight Cain Velasquez or Shane Carwin.

He hasn't even fought Overeem yet, a fight he has made all sorts of excuses about not taking since the subject came up when Overeem returned to MMA.

So I guess you've never seen the Arlovski-Fedor fight before, because Fedor was getting his *ss handed to him right before he landed a bomb and put Arlovski down. But hey, I guess by your logic, Fedor can't really get credit for that because, you know, Brock came back to beat Carwin, one of the '2' times he got his '*ss' handed to him. Coleman and Randleman were also beating the crap out of Fedor before he came back and won too. So, maybe you just haven't seen enough of Fedor's fights, eh?

I'd also like to take this moment to point out that, Fedor didn't have to fight the level of competition in his first 7 fights in MMA EVER that Brock had to. So...suck it.

And you can 'disqualify' my comments all you want brah, but just like the little rants you offer up, they are speculation anyways. And unlike the angry posts that you feel the need to populate this forum with, I am not guarentee-ing a victory for anyone. Just pointing out that there are most likely only 2 threats in the SF arena that would threaten Brock.

After all, you cannot guarentee that Brock would lose to Fedor anymore than I can guarentee a victory either way. Love how you get all worked up in these threads about this kind of stuff, then turn around and use the same damn tactics that seem to offend you. Its YOU that constantly types crap like 'this guy or that guy would KILL Brock Lesnar in a fight...' Yeah, sure they would. Lets see them come to the UFC and do it then.

I have to say, the irony does not elude me that all this is indeed coming from a poster who's user name is 1 letter away from being just; 'Brock'.

ps3.DilltheThrill wrote:

cem_ea_id.MasterEnemy2 wrote:
They also swear to fight the evils of Brock Lesnar, and 'Tapout' T-shirts.

Is that a bad thing?

I don't read you crapping on SF for allowing Bobby Lashley to fight. Or Herschel Walker for that matter.

And the 'TapOut' company sponsors MANY fighters, including ones outside the UFC, and helps promote and support them. Bash them all you want, but I don't ever want to read about you complaining about fighters not getting paid and promoted right then, because in that case, you'd be talking right out of your *ss....seeing as 'TapOut' has done, and will continue to do much more for fighters in this sport than I'm guessing you will ever do.

Good to see you gif a real fighter.....

He's never had to fight Cain Velasquez or Shane Carwin.

That's what they said about Arlovski and Sylvia and you see how those turned out. Same would happen with Carwin and Cain.

So I guess you've never seen the Arlovski-Fedor fight before, because Fedor was getting his *ss handed to him right before he landed a bomb and put Arlovski down. But hey, I guess by your logic, Fedor can't really get credit for that because, you know, Brock came back to beat Carwin, one of the '2' times he got his '*ss' handed to him. Coleman and Randleman were also beating the crap out of Fedor before he came back and won too. So, maybe you just haven't seen enough of Fedor's fights, eh?

Fedor's face after Arlovski "handing his as* to him"

Brock's face


A slight difference I would say.....

After all, you cannot guarentee that Brock would lose to Fedor anymore than I can guarentee a victory either way. Love how you get all worked up in these threads about this kind of stuff, then turn around and use the same damn tactics that seem to offend you. Its YOU that constantly types crap like 'this guy or that guy would KILL Brock Lesnar in a fight...' Yeah, sure they would. Lets see them come to the UFC and do it then.

Nobody can gurantee anything but the odds are HEAVILY on Fedor's side.

cem_ea_id.MasterEnemy2 wrote:

ps3.DilltheThrill wrote:

cem_ea_id.MasterEnemy2 wrote:
They also swear to fight the evils of Brock Lesnar, and 'Tapout' T-shirts.

Is that a bad thing?

I don't read you crapping on SF for allowing Bobby Lashley to fight. Or Herschel Walker for that matter.

And the 'TapOut' company sponsors MANY fighters, including ones outside the UFC, and helps promote and support them. Bash them all you want, but I don't ever want to read about you complaining about fighters not getting paid and promoted right then, because in that case, you'd be talking right out of your *ss....seeing as 'TapOut' has done, and will continue to do much more for fighters in this sport than I'm guessing you will ever do.

I was thinking more along the lines of non-fighters wearing tapout. I've never met someone who wore tapout and wasn't a dbag

ps3.DilltheThrill wrote: I was thinking more along the lines of non-fighters wearing tapout. I've never met someone who wore tapout and wasn't a dbag

Well, you haven't met JBrock yet, I'm sure he's super cool.

And, if TapOut doesn't sell shirts and make money to stay in buisness, then they can't sponsor and support fighters....do you see how these things go hand in hand?

Good to see you gif a real fighter.....

-JBrock

Well, I'm still waiting for a post from you that qualifies as a real MMA conversation. Guess I'm still waiting. At least one of us delivers.

That's what they said about Arlovski and Sylvia and you see how those turned out. Same would happen with Carwin and Cain.

-JBrock

Oh, isn't that cute, we're reference-ing hindsight. Awesome. Guess what happened when Fedor fought a severe underdog in Fabricio Werdum, a guy most people (including myself) said Fedor would crush?



So, I guess: 'thats what they all say' doesn't always work for Fedor eh?

Fedor's face after Arlovski "handing his as* to him"



Brock's face



A slight difference I would say.....

-JBrock

Yeah, I would say. One was after fighting Cain Velasquez, and the other was after fighting Arlovski. And if you don't know the difference currently between those 2, then thats on you.

But, lets not pretend for even a second that Fedor has never had it put on him:









Stop being so full of sh** guy, theres so many other unhealthy things to fill yourself up with. Why limit yourself?

I would say that Fedor would beat Brock, either by knockout or submission. I think he could submit Carwin, but not too sure about Cain. There's two fights I'd love to see right there, but him/Brock not overly keen on it. Not sure there's much that Lesnar could do. He's a big guy, and a good wrestler, but he couldn't keep Cain down for more than a few seconds, and if Fedor can get an armbar on someone the size of Hong ManChoi, I can see him doing it to Brock. That's if he doesn't make him dance around the cage for a little while after been hit in the face.

Oh, isn't that cute, we're reference-ing hindsight. Awesome. Guess what happened when Fedor fought a severe underdog in Fabricio Werdum, a guy most people (including myself) said Fedor would crush?



So, I guess: 'thats what they all say' doesn't always work for Fedor eh?

When it hits the ground, Werdum is never an underdog to anybody. At least it takes a world champion to submit Fedor.


Only takes a mid level jiu jitsu guy to submit Brock.

Yeah, I would say. One was after fighting Cain Velasquez, and the other was after fighting Arlovski. And if you don't know the difference currently between those 2, then thats on you.

I'll take a prime Arlovski over Cain any day in the stand up department.

But, lets not pretend for even a second that Fedor has never had it put on him:

Only person that ever put much of anything on him was a prime Cro Cop, even then he was never in danger of losing. Unlike Lesnar, Fedor won't cover and run, much less pull out some moves from dancing with the stars.

Lol, that guy could beat Fedor.....what a joke.

When it hits the ground, Werdum is never an underdog to anybody. At least it takes a world champion to submit Fedor.

Tell me, what MMA belt has Werdum ever held?

Only takes a mid level jiu jitsu guy to submit Brock.

A mid level BJJ guy huh? How about a top-level MMA submission artist?

Out of Mirs 14 victory's, he has 8 wins by sub, ALL by way of 'different' sub by the way. Including a sub of a NCAA Div 1 wrestling champion...Brock Lesnar.

Werdum? He has the exact same amount of sub victory's in exactly the same amount of MMA fights as Mir.

Oh, and Mir has done something in MMA that Werdum couldn't do, go on to become a UFC Champion.

Suck it.

Anymore weak *ss argument you'd like to bring to the table?

edit.

Tell me, what MMA belt has Werdum ever held?

Notice in the first sentence I wrote "When it hits the ground", obviously I was referring to him being a world champion in jiu jitsu.

Although, who needs a belt when you've beaten the greatest of all time.

A mid level BJJ guy huh? How about a top-level MMA submission artist?

Yea, if you listen to Dana White, which clearly you do. Dude got beat by Roy Nelson in a grappling tournament. Yea, Big Country is good on the ground but even he is mid level, both Nelson and Mir would get torched in ADCC or the World Championships.

Out of Mirs 14 victory's, he has 8 wins by sub, ALL by way of 'different' sub by the way. Including a sub of a NCAA Div 1 wrestling champion...Brock Lesnar.

Werdum? He has the exact same amount of sub victory's in exactly the same amount of MMA fights as Mir.

Name one guy that Mir has submitted who is even decent at BJJ.

Oh, and Mir has done something in MMA that Werdum couldn't do, go on to become a UFC Champion.

Paper Champ

Werdum is actually the lineal HW and lineal MMA champion.

First off, why the hell do you continue to insist that somewhere in my posts I have said that Lesanr WOULD beat Fedor? Do you know how to read lol?

I'm not the person in this debate that keeps insisting one guy would beat the other. Thats you dipsh*t. And please discontinue to associate any of my posts with your dipsh**tedness. Its insulting.

Now, where were we?

Notice in the first sentence I wrote "When it hits the ground", obviously I was referring to him being a world champion in jiu jitsu.

-Jbrock

Yeah? And how the hell did it 'hit' the ground pal? By Fedor himself diving into his guard. Werdum didn't GET Fedor in there.

Yea, if you listen to Dana White, which clearly you do.

-Jbrock

I don't need Dana's opinion to prove that Mir has damn good MMA sub-skills. Dude has won a damn major MMA belt with his submission skills, which is more in MMA than Werdum has ever done. What better way to showcase your skill than to win a championship using it?

And you are a damn idiot for even suggesting that Mir doesn't have submission skills that are near the top of MMA. Plain and damn simple. But then again, I already understand that you're an idiot, I just like to point it out.

Whats funny to me about all this, is I have never once in this entire discussion 'bashed' Werdum or Fedor. Unlike you, I actually respect the guys I'm arguing against. I have never once said that Werdum is crap, nor have I said Fedor is. You on the other hand? You say dumb crap like 'well, only if you listen to Dana' <----when in response to me suggesting that Mir is one of the top MMA sub artitist. Seriously? Are you seriously trying to make that argument?

Disagree with me all you will, but cease from being a complete idiot about it. Its ok to admit that Frank Mir is damn good in relation to the sport of MMA at subbing guys. I mean, I'll admit that Werdum is. I don't need your opinion or Dana's to tell me that sh*t. Its a fact. Just like Mir being damn good there is a fact.

Dude got beat by Roy Nelson in a grappling tournament. Yea, Big Country is good on the ground but even he is mid level, both Nelson and Mir would get torched in ADCC or the World Championships.

What in the hell does any of this have to do with MMA genius? Oh, thats right, you aren't too well versed in that area of discussion. Doesn't the hell matter what these guys do outside of MMA, hell Fedor has lost in Sambo comps before. So the hell what?? You going to tell me that the guys that beat him in Sambo could kick his *ss and are better than him in an MMA setting too?

Give me a damn break.

This dicussion is about what these guys have done in MMA. Not anywhere else. Not in the BJJ tourney world, and not in your damn imagination. And in the MMA world, Werdum has done nothing all that spectacular except beat a guy who wasn't even a champion at the time. Screw the WAMMA belt, its a bull crap invetion. And so is the whole 'Lineal' argument.

None of this is to say that Werdum is not a good fighter, but he hasn't done things that some of the guys you're comparing him to have...fact. And thats what I prefer to use in my side of the argument- facts. Beating Fedor is great, but it didn't win him a belt. He wins an actual recognized MMA title? Then this is a different conversation alltogether.

Mir has been a damn champion...in the UFC, the same place where Werdum did jack sh*t when he was there. Laugh all you want about that. But, I do recall you in the; 'Roger Huerta' thread saying that; 'It says alot about the fighters outside the UFC when they can beat a former highly regarded UFC guy'....so, what does it say when a guy goes 2-2 in the UFC, but then goes 3-0 in Strikeforce- including a win over 'the best ever'? What does that say about Fedor and Strikeforce then?

Oh wait, I'm sure you only use this argument when it suits you, right? Don't bother answering this, I already know you talk out of your *ss here.

Name one guy that Mir has submitted who is even decent at BJJ.

Roberto Traven.

And since I would prefer to talk MMA here, name 1 BJJ guy in the MMA world that Werdum has submitted? AT least Mir has 1, as well as a few wrestlers that are top-notch that he has subbed...which shows that Mir -in an MMA setting- has proven his grappling skill just fine. Werdum doesn't have any on his MMA resume that are noteworthy. And when Werdum HAS fought BJJ guys in MMA (Gonzaga for example) he won by TKO.

Paper Champ

Are you talking about Fedor and his 'WAMMA' belt? Why yes, that is indeed a paper champ.

And Mir was the 1st person EVER to beat Tim Sylvia (you know, when Sylvia was actually in his prime). And he did it in a devistating fashion to WIN that belt. Not to mention, KTFO Big Nog to get the interum later down the road.

And still, suck it lol.