The Masters

St. Andrews, 25MPH winds and some jerk has shot a -29 round? C'mon. EA has got do something about this as it has gotten completely out of hand!! I don't care if it's the controllers or whatever. Why would non-cheating players even bother playing online? Can't these cheaters be limited to playing in their own special areas?

well put, I myself am getting sick and tired of "losing" against people who "play" just to spoil others peoples game. its like doping in the tour de france.
if a top 100 player reaches on calm days approx 20 under par thats OK but if level 2 players get the same results, something must be wrong.
claus

I would bet it you spoke with the individual who shot -29 that they would say how much time and effort they put into posting that score and they utilized the same options available to anyone else who desires to put in the same amount of time and effort to shoot so low.

And yes, EA certainly wants your ideas and suggestions on what people are doing so they can implement things in future versions to make the game fun for everyone. So please anything you have that specifically details what you consider cheating and what can be done to correct such are welcome ideas.

That said, let's say you can't eliminate the "cheaters", there are things you can do to ignore them. I'll give you 2 ideas where people have created their own special areas for "non-cheaters".

1. I play tournaments and check my scoring against my friends and ignore the full leaderboards. Make friends with like-minded gamers who play the way you like and then follow the friendslist leaderboard (it's the menu to the right of the full leaderboard).

2. Join a league. There are many websites that cater to a variety of standards for play. They run their own tournaments and the comraderie is great.

Maybe not complete solutions to your frustrations but they both can make the game more fun.

Thx Oblong -
most avid player are playing in leagues already, but still its a challenge to move up and down in the official leaderboard.
maybe one suggestion - make the feedback work in TW10 like it did in TW09.
in TW10 there are no more stars awarded/taken away my positive/negative/missing feedbacks. in TW09 I NEVER played anyone unless he/she had at least 3 stars.
also the feedback - cheating .... should have the effect that EA or someone looks at it and at least keeps a tally on the number of these feedbacks and if a certain number is reached, put in a repriment to the effected player and later look him for a while.
regards,
claus (WII player)

ps3.DevlshOne wrote:St. Andrews, 25MPH winds and some jerk has shot a -29 round? C'mon. EA has got do something about this as it has gotten completely out of hand!! I don't care if it's the controllers or whatever. Why would non-cheating players even bother playing online? Can't these cheaters be limited to playing in their own special areas?

I was going to play the amateur open tonight on the Predator course which I am not fond of anyways. Then I saw the top of the leader was something like -32. What is the point of even trying? If you can shoot -30 or more on that course without cheating my hat is off to you. I would imagine though my hat will stay on.

What the deal with unrealistics scores. I use to like playing against people on-line in TW 09, and I was looking forward to TW10 new tournament format. I am very good a Wiii and in my first tournaments people were shooting -30, -25, etc..

There is no way people are shooting such low scores per round and must be cheating. What can someone tell me about this issue?

Thanks

can we get this locked... im so sick of hearing about this, there are no cheaters, they are just much better than you, deal with it. there is no such thing as kb play for 360, only 50 friggin people play tour mode anyways, and they are mostly good, the same people posting crazy rounds, are the ones that have been for years... its called experience.. get some..

And yes mustard, most leagues are just second third or fourth tier players, it doesnt take much to win and dominate those things, they end up being not so much fun.


personally im tired of being told i cheat when i play, it gets old, stop making stuff up, if you lose, have some grace, wow, you were better than me, gg, not hey you won, you must be cheating... omg stop it already

xbox.Baali wrote:can we get this locked... im so sick of hearing about this, there are no cheaters, they are just much better than you, deal with it.

I get about as tired hearing people say there is no cheaters when there are plenty of them that opening admit it. By cheating I mean using modified or 3rd party controllers that have the side to side axis turned off, or by using a gameshark disc, etc. It takes away the incentive to play the game as intended online for those who want to come about being at the top of the leaderboard by skill alone.

I have saw scores like -35 and if someone can do that without assistance that is great, but they can't. And if they say they can they are either deluding themselves or lying.

It isn't a moral issue with me on who cheats and who doesn't. I couldn't care less. It is a matter of unfair advantage on EA's part to allow these players into the games with average scoring players.

While the tier system was a feeble attempt to cut down on this, it doesn't work. Maybe EA should keep an "average" of a player's score and match with players of like scores. In other words, if you consistently shoot -25 or better, you can only play people with similar scores. In other words no more "open" amateur matches. For fairness is a lesser player wants to get the pants beat off them then they can play in a higher tier. But a higher tier player cannot go into a lower match of any kind. Similar to what is now only more closely matched.

xbox.Lulz4Food wrote:
I get about as tired hearing people say there is no cheaters when there are plenty of them that opening admit it. By cheating I mean using modified or 3rd party controllers that have the side to side axis turned off, or by using a gameshark disc, etc. It takes away the incentive to play the game as intended online for those who want to come about being at the top of the leaderboard by skill alone.

I have saw scores like -35 and if someone can do that without assistance that is great, but they can't. And if they say they can they are either deluding themselves or lying.

It isn't a moral issue with me on who cheats and who doesn't. I couldn't care less. It is a matter of unfair advantage on EA's part to allow these players into the games with average scoring players.

While the tier system was a feeble attempt to cut down on this, it doesn't work. Maybe EA should keep an "average" of a player's score and match with players of like scores. In other words, if you consistently shoot -25 or better, you can only play people with similar scores. In other words no more "open" amateur matches. For fairness is a lesser player wants to get the pants beat off them then they can play in a higher tier. But a higher tier player cannot go into a lower match of any kind. Similar to what is now only more closely matched.

first a couple of things, there is NO SUCH THING as a gameshark disk for tiger... period...

second, if your side axis is off as you suggest, and these are amateur players.. then they get NO SPIN AT ALL... just front and back, so if you think someone has no side axis (who makes this up?) see if they spin left or right, i know people have glued one rails, but who cares, you get no spin.

third, how is using a microsoft approved (it has to be to be sold for xbox) controller cheating.. just cause it has diff sensitivity oh well.

there ARE ways to swing a wireless straight... always have been, people just to lazy to figure it out.

and as far as your -35 fictional scores, you haven't played very many good people.. we were shooting 30's online in live games in amateur since 06 check records... its pretty easy in amateur, period, thats why its called amateur... its easy....

in real golf, just out of curiosity.. people use diff club types for diff ease of swing.. hmmmm, that sounds kinda like a controller choice to me... if you think the controller will make you an elite player (which is humorous) then spend $25 on one at walmart, and dominate the game.. er wait, its not that easy is it.... if you think you can get a game and compete with people with years of experience your hilarious. if you dont know the formulas for calculating everything, you have no chance, and that comes with work, and experience, not from a controller.....

xbox.Baali wrote:
if you think you can get a game and compete with people with years of experience your hilarious. if you dont know the formulas for calculating everything, you have no chance, and that comes with work, and experience, not from a controller.....

A 3rd party controller gives, arguably, an advantage over stock controllers for 2 reasons.

Turbo for boost, allowing max boost everytime

Straight swing - ensuring straight swing everytime...

Boost, well with a stock controller I can hit 122% pretty much anytime so this is not cheating, just easier on the 3rd party.

Straight swing - this is deffo an advantage but just swinging the club straighjt does not put it in the hole. As Baali says, it takes time and practice to read the shot correctly, allowing for wind, elevation, green gradiants, lie of the ball etc etc etc, the 3rd party controller DO NOT make this any easier.

As annoying as it is a someone that uses a stock controller to play, those suing the 3rd party ones are not cheating, they are playing the game a different way.
Whether you like or agree with it or not - does not equal cheating.

But hey, thats just my view....

xbox.Baali wrote:
first a couple of things, there is NO SUCH THING as a gameshark disk for tiger... period...

Wouldn't know, I don't have a PS3.

xbox.Baali wrote:
second, if your side axis is off as you suggest, and these are amateur players.. then they get NO SPIN AT ALL... just front and back, so if you think someone has no side axis (who makes this up?) see if they spin left or right, i know people have glued one rails, but who cares, you get no spin.

Forward or backspin is all you need if there is no worry about accidentally hooking or slicing during the swing. You can set the fade or draw from the start if you need to overcome wind or whatever. Are you sure you really play this game? Who makes this up? Oh maybe the guy that has the drawing in these forums I believe it is showing how to wire a switch to disable the side to side axis. Or possibly the guy with the video on YouTube showing him using that same switch setup for a perfect straight drive every time at the fullest possible power. Are you really sure you play this game?

xbox.Baali wrote:
third, how is using a microsoft approved (it has to be to be sold for xbox) controller cheating.. just cause it has diff sensitivity oh well.

Not sure what this has to do with anything. What does MS care whether someone cheats or at least plays the system on a 3rd party game. It is an EA issue, not MS.

xbox.Baali wrote:
there ARE ways to swing a wireless straight... always have been, people just to lazy to figure it out.

I can swing straight at 85% power with a 120% boost 99% of the time on a stock controller. The gives me about 355-365 yard drives off the tee. Crank that up to 100% power with 120% boost and the percentage of straight drives drops dramatically. Tell me the magic secret of hitting these straight without disabling the side to side axis when you only have about a 4% sweet spot.

xbox.Baali wrote:
and as far as your -35 fictional scores, you haven't played very many good people.. we were shooting 30's online in live games in amateur since 06 check records... its pretty easy in amateur, period, thats why its called amateur... its easy....

Look up an online player called NYBLAKE I believe it is. A while back he had a -35 on a daily tournament. You don't see as many -30 games but you see a lot of -28's. If this is done with stock controllers and no other assistance then bravo. But I have a feeling this isn't the case.

xbox.Baali wrote:
in real golf, just out of curiosity.. people use diff club types for diff ease of swing.. hmmmm, that sounds kinda like a controller choice to me...

Lol... wut? You have 14 clubs in your bag in real golf as well as TW Golf. You can change out those 14 clubs in real golf as well as TW Golf. What you can't do in real golf is make sure you never hook or slice by modifying your swing eliminating side to side motion. And in real golf you can't "steer" the ball after it has left the club face. You can in TW Golf. Big difference there.

xbox.Baali wrote:
if you think the controller will make you an elite player (which is humorous) then spend $25 on one at walmart, and dominate the game.. er wait, its not that easy is it.... if you think you can get a game and compete with people with years of experience your hilarious. if you dont know the formulas for calculating everything, you have no chance, and that comes with work, and experience, not from a controller.....

Yeah those years of experience really pay off I guess. I have only been playing for a few months. That is probably why I only average -22 using the stock controller. The point is for me as I said before I don't care if you cheat or not. What is too bad is those who do skew the leader boards so those who don't either get frustrated and quit or mod their controller and join the crowd.

You sure did get awfully defensive about this. You sure you don't have a little switch that shuts off the side to side axis? And maybe a chipped controller that has a turbo boost for that max power every time? Are you sure you play this game?

Nobody will ever convince me that these guys shooting around -30 per round are using normal or even full boost controller, they are cheating someway other than that, never mind frig...n course mapping (for all different wind speeds) don't make me laugh, plain & simple they cheat by means not intended by the game developers.
stock controllers not tampered with, Should be the only ones allowed to use, there must be a way to ensure this, a couple of ingame tests after logging in perhaps. Still EA don't really care I believe

My question to all that have posted complaints about cheating, how many of you have expert clubs tuned to the max and can hit the ball straight nearly every shot? I don't!

If you are getting average PGA scores your doing great, keep practicing, get yourself up to well tuned expert clubs and you to might just be able to reach such high scores.

these threads always make me laugh. keep em coming guys

Have you ever noticed that the people shooting -30 and below NEVER play in online matchmaking?????? Wonder why that is.....
Seems like if you were that "good" you would be playing against other people in online matches. I have played very good players online, but no one has even come close to a -35.

Maybe someone should post their -36 round on youtube to prove they are legit. I won't hold my breath.