To All DD Players.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 11/07/2009 00:17:11

If I see one more of you at level 28+ and all you can do is try and sneak a bride around the corner of my base and DT my stage to death I will have completely lost faith in the BL trueskill system, BL community at large.

I mean ive only lost 1 time to DD and it was this strategy. It was my first time ever playing DD online and like my 3rd game ever, and I thought well ill never let that happen again. Ive won 120+ matches since only losing to IH, TC.

That strategy is just a cheap trick and is possibly the only more lame strategy than massing FB right now.

L2P please because right now when I see DD Im just ready for the bride rush then the easy win[edit] FOR ME .(apparently some people couldnt understand what I was saying.

Fail, epic fail... I understand that you're frustrated with the bride rush, and for the most part most players do it poorly anyway, I use it only to gain a little bit of time, i never expect to win because of it, just hit their stage 5-6 times and get their avatar off my troops. Admittedly I have stomped someone's base by sitting in a corner but if you can't find a bride sitting next to your base then you probably need to have your eyes checked. So yes and no, fire baron rushing still is the saddest thing I come across yet I do see where it can be depressing to see another bride rush. It was way better before it was exploited.

xbox.TexanPureblood wrote:Fail, epic fail... I understand that you're frustrated with the bride rush, and for the most part most players do it poorly anyway, I use it only to gain a little bit of time, i never expect to win because of it, just hit their stage 5-6 times and get their avatar off my troops. Admittedly I have stomped someone's base by sitting in a corner but if you can't find a bride sitting next to your base then you probably need to have your eyes checked. So yes and no, fire baron rushing still is the saddest thing I come across yet I do see where it can be depressing to see another bride rush. It was way better before it was exploited.

I dont believe you read my post I have no problem with it. I just want DD players to stop doing it because its such a waste and it makes it 10X easier for me to win...

Fail?? YOu must read on a 3rd grade level or less because you completely missed what i was saying.

IM saying that somebody who can do nothing more than a bride rush can get a TS of 28+ with out having any actual skill in the game at all.

You tried to be tough but that didnt work out I guess now did it.

the true skill is pretty stupid for the most part. I came a cross a 26 or 27 who had only played 4 games total. He tried to fire baron rush and I wiped the floor with him.

In fact I have had many people with high skill levels do some sort of stupid rush. I had a DD player who's profile said he would "* me up in brutal legend" all he did was immediately rush a bride to my stage along with frightwigs. he did this the entire match without ever upgrading his stage. needless to say i whooped him. but he was like a 27 as well.

I'm not a fan of the bride rush. if the other side looks like a FB rusher (the kind that doesn't build units at the beginning and goes straight to t2 then i'll make em pay for that.

or if i need people off my back or am trying to take the fight to them i'll bust out a sneaky bride (by this point its not a rush) but i just view that as the DD version of roadies.

but if you are worried about the ts level sorry man it already sucks.

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xbox.TooK YeR J0B wrote:I dont believe you read my post I have no problem with it. I just want DD players to stop doing it because its such a waste and it makes it 10X easier for me to win...

Fail?? YOu must read on a 3rd grade level or less because you completely missed what i was saying.

IM saying that somebody who can do nothing more than a bride rush can get a TS of 28+ with out having any actual skill in the game at all.

You tried to be tough but that didnt work out I guess now did it.

Thanks for the laughs....

Well i wont argue semantics with you, not that kind of guy. You missed why I said fail, and next time you try and insult someone, trying to tell them that they read on a third grade level, make sure that the word you try and put in all caps, is indeed in ALL caps. And then try putting a few commas in...

Anyways, MY (see, all caps) point was closer to what beans pointed out, that yes, the fact that under-achieving morons rush the most powerful T1 or T2 unit and usually fail, in an epic fashion. And then, for whatever reason, obtain high true scores. It's the problem with the TrueSkill system, it's not accurate.

No you tried to pull a forum "Professor" move on me and invalidate my point. Then I proved that you saying "I need my eyes checked" was a fail in your reasoning . Its because I have no problem with this at all I played with Beans yesterday and he knows I don't suck so....

Then you go on to completely one eighty and hop on beans point like its what you were really saying. Funny thing is I agree with beans and if this is what you thought why were you so hostile in your original post?

Now yes I understand that the TS is really screwed up. But it appears its even worse with DD players with a really high percentage of them doing only the brainless bride rush tactic. My whole point of this thread was that hopefully some of the DD players who use this would get the message that it doesn't work and 1/2 brain dead monkey could fight this off if he had any experience with the game at all. All this tactic is meant to do is eek out easy wins against really low level players... For a high true skill even though they have no skill at all I don't get the fun in that.

Well first of all this is turning into a flame battle, almost completly losing the point of the argument.

Second, I agree with took yer job, I HATE mi mindless rushers, most of all bride rushers. Its so sad because every time i come across a DD player in matchmaking, i instantly know he is going to rush me. No what if, but its for certain. So then i prepare, and i sometimes win (sometimes they be extreme noobs and rush me with nearly 4 brides, so then when i try to attack him he just turns around and electrifys me....).

But thats not the point. If you do rushing, and not tactical rushing (like attacking while they have no units, or are pre-occupied, etc.) then that means your a true noob. Period.

Also, trueskill is kind of messed up but only because of rushers. I think they should make your true-skill go higher for the more units you kill in a game, the less units you lose, and maybe a few other things if they dont do that already.
So then its actually true skill, not just you get a higher skill for the number of wins and for beating someone a higher rank than you.

xbox.TooK YeR J0B wrote:No you tried to pull a forum "Professor" move on me and invalidate my point. Then I proved that you saying "I need my eyes checked" was a fail in your reasoning . Its because I have no problem with this at all I played with Beans yesterday and he knows I don't suck so....

Then you go on to completely one eighty and hop on beans point like its what you were really saying. Funny thing is I agree with beans and if this is what you thought why were you so hostile in your original post?

Now yes I understand that the TS is really screwed up. But it appears its even worse with DD players with a really high percentage of them doing only the brainless bride rush tactic. My whole point of this thread was that hopefully some of the DD players who use this would get the message that it doesn't work and 1/2 brain dead monkey could fight this off if he had any experience with the game at all. All this tactic is meant to do is eek out easy wins against really low level players... For a high true skill even though they have no skill at all I don't get the fun in that.

Wow do I feel psychoanalyzed. This is the probably the last time I'll comment on this, and I wasn't being hostile in the original post. (btw, please please please fix your grammar, bugs me more than anything else you could say)

I was commenting on the whole "check your eyes" thing as a generality, obviously if YOU counter the bride rush then I wouldn't be referring to YOU. The reason I "hop" on Bean's point would be that (and I realize that name-dropping is pointless) Josh and I are perty good pals and have discussed bride rushing to great length on our own time, meaning that I was in fact already on the same page with Beans. My first post was for the most part agreeing with you.

My only "hostile" (pretty sure we both use that word fairly loosely, contradictory would be a better choice) opinion in the first post was that the bride rush is so easily seen and countered that I'm not sure it warrants attention. It's kinda like the FB rush (and I think I'm paraphrasing Shanddog here), once people realize that it's not the end all be all of tactics they will stop using it.

The other reason I think this whole thing is amusing is that (as far as I know) Beans and I are the first people to pull this stunt, now that everyone does it I pretty much can't. But again as long as you know what to look for there should be no problem crushing one. However, that being said, catching people off guard on Doom's Mire or Dry Ice Quarry is still great.

I have nothing against you personally teach, in fact, if you were willing to play TC or DD I'd be more than willing to play some 2v2 with you sometime.

As far as TS, I think that it should have a lot more to do with # of games played, someone with less than fifty games shouldn't have a TS of more than 25 without having beaten top players repeatedly.

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