Any one else drafted a franchise player and got screwed yet? I was in my 10th or 11th year of BaGM and had a franchise player enter the draft. I scouted him all year, and he looked amazing. On draft day, I had to trade life and limb to get the number one pick (including 90+ Tyler Seguin and some others). I was so excited.

I go to the contracts screen to see my prize and BAM got screwed. He came in at 84 overall which is great, but his potential? well his potential was overall C!. WTF? He had a B- on offense, C on Defense and C on Athletics.

Now I understand that not every top 5 or even number one pick for that matter will become a 90+ superstar, but a franchise play IS supposed to do that. These guys are the Lebrons, the Yzermans, come on, my guy will probably max out at 88.

A couple of season later another franchise player came into the draft and went to another team and I looked up his potential, it was B-, B-, C-! C freaking minus?! He's 19 years old and some of his stats are gonna go down?

Just does not seem right.

nilbog....i play all my games and i'm still in my first season, so i haven't hit a draft yet.....how do you find out a guy is a franchise player?

It should say "franchise" under the player's draft prediction. Believe it goes franchise/top 5/top 10/1st/1st-2nd/etc...

Ask the Ottawa Senators about franchise players (Alexander Daigle). Probably the most famous.

A year before his draft Angelo Esposito was supposed to be a franchise player. At his draft not so much.

Busts are fairly regular. The Crosby era with Ovechkin and Stamkos has been good but there have always been duds and medium level successes.

Some would argue Eric Lindros never lived up to his billing. Owen Nolan a suspected franchise player was just a very solid low level star.

Not a franchise but even a team like the Rangers drafted a dud like Dylan Mcilrath this past year. If he pans out to be any more than a 3rd liner I will be shocked. I may be shocked if he makes it to the third line.

Franchise is a pretty tag but players sometimes don't make it. Ask Brian Lawton or Doug Wickneheiser.

Yeah, toadie v, you're right. I guess I just hear so much about the franchise players that pan out to be franchise players then the others guys you mentioned. Plus, in NHL 10, the few franchise players I saw became great/amazing players. So I just wasn't used to the duds I guess. I just feel lied to (lol, jk).

mulder1199 - like unolibby said, it should say "Franshise" under the projected column in the Scouting section. Usually the "Franchise" tag will not be exposed until close to the end of the season. So just because it is not there at the middle of the season does not mean one is not there. Just keep checking. Also, word of advice, your scouting has no effect on the "Draft Prediction" area. So don't just scout the crap out of a Top 5 prospect to try and make him a Franchise player, it does not work this way.

ah, ok....i last looked with about 60 games in and they were mostly still top 5, etc...i'll have to take another look....admittedly i've been dragging my feet a bit waiting for a patch for the 1500xp glitch...

xbox.toadie v wrote:Ask the Ottawa Senators about franchise players (Alexander Daigle). Probably the most famous.

A year before his draft Angelo Esposito was supposed to be a franchise player. At his draft not so much.

Busts are fairly regular. The Crosby era with Ovechkin and Stamkos has been good but there have always been duds and medium level successes.

Some would argue Eric Lindros never lived up to his billing. Owen Nolan a suspected franchise player was just a very solid low level star.

Not a franchise but even a team like the Rangers drafted a dud like Dylan Mcilrath this past year. If he pans out to be any more than a 3rd liner I will be shocked. I may be shocked if he makes it to the third line.

Franchise is a pretty tag but players sometimes don't make it. Ask Brian Lawton or Doug Wickneheiser.

The problem is that despite of how well that draft pick performs he will not develop thanks to the C potential rating. The potential system doesn't accurately represent how players develop and, instead, is more like decrees by some "Hockey God". Tyler Seguin and Taylor Hall always hit the 90's regardless of how they perform because they have 'A' potential ratings. A young player with good production but a 'C' potential rating will remain static until his decline.

One thing I will give the game credit for is that a players individual stats seems to matter a good deal more. In my current Dynasty I have Teemu Pulkkinen on my team at a 78 OVR Sniper. All his offensive stats are at least a 94 (year 5 I think), but his defensive stats are terrible and his athletics are meh. I sim through my seasons and the guy leads the league in goals just about every year because his offensive ratings are so good. So while Overalls might not increase, if you see his individual stats increase then you can at least be happy with that.

Though while it's on my mind, this does raise an issue. Pulkkinen has had seasons like 30 goals, 48 goals, 53 goals, and 58 goals this last season. He won the Richard trophey 3 times, but because his overall remains down around 78 I was able to sign him for 7 years at 1.2m. A guy scoring like that should get Ovy money...

To the above poster. What year of your dynasty were you in where Ovie was only an 83? Probably pretty far I'm guessing? Not that it matters, I'm just curious

And nilbog, it isn't just you; it's nearly impossible to pick up a goalie in the Draft who grows to be any better than decent. Last night I picked up a Russian kid (Oleg Faikov I think his name was) in the 2nd round. Let's just say I'm not holding my breath in the hopes that he becomes the new Broduer, lol. (and I hope I spelled Marty's name right. Please correct me if I didn't. )

try throwing them back to Jr's for a year. I've noticed that they get a little better without decreasing in potential. I usually give my guys one year in Jr's before signing them or bringing them up to the NHL. But I've never had a 70's player drafted. Usually 60-65 with various potential, some I keep, some I let go

In NHL 09 I drafted a franchise player, who started at 82 OVR and with C Potential at all. After one or two seasons his potential rose up to A, so I wouldn't panic yet.

cem_ea_id.Great_8_Girl wrote:To the above poster. What year of your dynasty were you in where Ovie was only an 83? Probably pretty far I'm guessing? Not that it matters, I'm just curious

And nilbog, it isn't just you; it's nearly impossible to pick up a goalie in the Draft who grows to be any better than decent. Last night I picked up a Russian kid (Oleg Faikov I think his name was) in the 2nd round. Let's just say I'm not holding my breath in the hopes that he becomes the new Broduer, lol. (and I hope I spelled Marty's name right. Please correct me if I didn't. )

Brodeur*

MY brother did a franchise where a dude ended up being 67 overall and A- potential as the #2 pick.

After 10 years he only got to 78

I'd say that's a bust for #2 overall

xbox.toadie v wrote:Ask the Ottawa Senators about franchise players (Alexander Daigle). Probably the most famous.

A year before his draft Angelo Esposito was supposed to be a franchise player. At his draft not so much.

Busts are fairly regular. The Crosby era with Ovechkin and Stamkos has been good but there have always been duds and medium level successes.

Some would argue Eric Lindros never lived up to his billing. Owen Nolan a suspected franchise player was just a very solid low level star.

Not a franchise but even a team like the Rangers drafted a dud like Dylan Mcilrath this past year. If he pans out to be any more than a 3rd liner I will be shocked. I may be shocked if he makes it to the third line.

Franchise is a pretty tag but players sometimes don't make it. Ask Brian Lawton or Doug Wickneheiser.

Yeah I'd be surprised if he ended up playing forward too!

Great_8_Girl, I'm in year 2023/2024. Ovechkin (38 yrs old I think) is actually 84 overall, not 83, my bad. He has 733 goals and 1,651 pts in 1,461 games which puts him number 8 for points all time, how interesting. He's number 4 for goals all time, just 8 goals behind Hull. God I wish I did not have to go online to look up this stuff, is it that hard to put records in the game, or am I just missing them?

Btw, why does Offensive/Defensive Awareness decline as players get older in this game? Doesn't that have to do with your brain and not your physical ability? While 38 may be old for a hockey player, it isn't that old for a human so I doubt their brain would diminish at that age, just dosen't make sense. They don't get dumber when they hit 35 or anything.

I have a goalie in the minors who is 74 overall with A, B-, A- potential, so he is looking pretty good if you ask me. I need him soon though because my two pros and getting old.