I was a bit surprised by you going from your usual all out attack to complete defence. Your now a bit of a nadal clone extreme angled shots and reaching balls that look out of your reach and returning them with interest. Your connection is a bit laggy which made your offensive player seem like he could reach a few more balls then seemed possible but now your defensive its not very coherent to look at. Couldnt stay to finish the tie break GF wanted the TV for Skins but I was happy to save 3 match points.

Im guessing you want to be in the top 10 and see defense as the best possible route. Its a shame but good luck.

PS your a fair player.

Indeed, the top10 is almost full of defensive players... just boring.

cem_ea_id.IWantToBeFree wrote:Indeed, the top10 is almost full of defensive players... just boring.

Well not sure I would say it was boring (its their choice and I hardly bump into top 10 players) but I think it perhaps hints at defensive players being the most rewarding once mastered (once the rallies start)

But perhaps angel just wanted a change. I recently played around with other player styles just to mix it up and try something different. But im too use to playing with roddick cant be arsed to get use to another pro.

Jesus * the attitude of some people is pathetic.

To those who complain about defensive players------if you are attacking us, then how the HELL do you think we are going to play???? Attack automatically means someone else will be defending.

Secondly, Iwanttobefree, you may think it is boring that so many of the top players are "supposedly" defensive, but you are wrong. Every match I have played with Bison., Aik, Crisn Urigan Vmoe (the ACTIVE top players) have involved ALL SORTS of shots, attack, defense, drops, flat shots, volleys. None of the matches I ever play with them could ever be classified as boring.

If you keep getting passed by passing shots, then your volley was not good enough. If it seems the player is reaching every shot you hit, it is because you are being to predictable. As simple as that.
How dare anyone say it is a shame to see X type of player, it is almost laughable.
To moan about a players reach is missing the point. Vmoe last night hit down the line winners against me even though I was standing on the correct side of the court, I didnt even have to run for the shots. Why were they winners? Because I was 100% sure he was going to hit crosscourt, he caught me by suprise. THAT is how you win matches.

Complain about lob spamming serve glitch exploiting etc, but this fixation of some about offensive / defensive means nothing. Play well enough and you will win.

+1

ps3.MrJamesSmith wrote:Jesus * the attitude of some people is pathetic.

To those who complain about defensive players------if you are attacking us, then how the HELL do you think we are going to play???? Attack automatically means someone else will be defending.

Secondly, Iwanttobefree, you may think it is boring that so many of the top players are "supposedly" defensive, but you are wrong. Every match I have played with Bison., Aik, Crisn Urigan Vmoe (the ACTIVE top players) have involved ALL SORTS of shots, attack, defense, drops, flat shots, volleys. None of the matches I ever play with them could ever be classified as boring.

If you keep getting passed by passing shots, then your volley was not good enough. If it seems the player is reaching every shot you hit, it is because you are being to predictable. As simple as that.
How dare anyone say it is a shame to see X type of player, it is almost laughable.
To moan about a players reach is missing the point. Vmoe last night hit down the line winners against me even though I was standing on the correct side of the court, I didnt even have to run for the shots. Why were they winners? Because I was 100% sure he was going to hit crosscourt, he caught me by suprise. THAT is how you win matches.

Complain about lob spamming serve glitch exploiting etc, but this fixation of some about offensive / defensive means nothing. Play well enough and you will win.

MrJamesSmith, it is your attitude that is pathetic.

What Iwanttobefree said, about defensive players being boring, was their opinion and you can't say that they are wrong just because you disagree with them. Also, they and everyone else who has posted in this thread has never moaned about a players reach or complained about how it is difficult to beat defensive style players as you wrote, so it is you that has missed the point.

You will find it very hard to get along with people with aggressive posts like that. You need to think about what you type in future.

I didnt say they were wrong, just that the attitude is pathetic!!!

See ya on the court!

ps3.MrJamesSmith wrote:
If you keep getting passed by passing shots, then your volley was not good enough. If it seems the player is reaching every shot you hit, it is because you are being to predictable. As simple as that.
How dare anyone say it is a shame to see X type of player, it is almost laughable.
To moan about a players reach is missing the point. Vmoe last night hit down the line winners against me even though I was standing on the correct side of the court, I didnt even have to run for the shots. Why were they winners? Because I was 100% sure he was going to hit crosscourt, he caught me by suprise. THAT is how you win matches.

Complain about lob spamming serve glitch exploiting etc, but this fixation of some about offensive / defensive means nothing. Play well enough and you will win.

James, don't want to come across as blaming DBs or personal attacks. Obviously the game has four inbuilt styles and everyone is free to play any style he wants and it is not a *bad* thing or I don't want to come across as disparaging someone who uses *DB*.

I will give you an analogy from swimming to provide a logical counter to what you said about VMoe. You heard about the story that some swim suits provide a few seconds advantage and Michael Phelps doesn't wear them, but he still beats players who wear those *advantageous* suits. If we applied your reasoning to swimming we would be suggesting that since Michael Phelps (VMoe) was able to do it but not many others in the general populace on a regular basis then the section of the general populace who doesn't use that *advantageous* swim suit is to blame because there is one exception among them (Michael Phelps) who can beat the ones who wear the *advantageous* suit. The others (besides Michael Phelps) who don't wear the *advantageous* swim suits are just not good enough and need to hit the practice courts. Now replace the *advantageous* swim suit with the DB style. It might not be illegal or against rules to swim with the *advantageous* swim suit or play with created DB, but it could be possible that there are some inbuilt advantages in that type of game play. Providing one exception to the rule doesn't negate something confirmed from statistics. Statistically there are >60% of DBS in top 20 and only one Allrounder/Serve and Volley. It could be possible that most good players play with DB, but from a statistical point of view you could argue that for someone who has mastered playing with DB the game provides distinct advantages that can help catapult him to top of the rankings by beat others on a consistent basis (not just pull off one off victories/upsets which happen to be an exception rather than the norm).

NOT suggesting that I am very good player/ NOT suggesting any of the top DBs are not good or not deserving of their rank.

I am just pointing out that such and such deduction is possible from statistical observations.

Isn't it typical for a videogame that certain players/drivers/... are preferred? Actually I'm a little surprised that there aren't more players who use Nadal for example. If I played only for the success I would probably choose him.

In Mario Kart Wii, the top players choose Funky Kong, Daisy or Peach or maybe a Mii. And of course bikes! And no Wii Wheel! In Super Mario Kart, Toad and Koopa are the best.

Tough post to read, but, maybe I have misunderstood, doesnt the fact that Phelps doesnt wear that suit yet still wins support my argument?

Ill read it again later to check!

But saying that DB has in built advantages is only correct if you want to play in that style yourself. The only game that gives me lots of trouble these days is an attacking game. So using that logic, would it not be fair of me to say that I am at a disadvantage because of all these attacking players who can beat me???? If they are the only players whose style can beat me (consistently) then doesnt that mean they are the ones with the advantage?

wii.maderer15 wrote:

ps3.MrJamesSmith wrote:
If you keep getting passed by passing shots, then your volley was not good enough. If it seems the player is reaching every shot you hit, it is because you are being to predictable. As simple as that.
How dare anyone say it is a shame to see X type of player, it is almost laughable.
To moan about a players reach is missing the point. Vmoe last night hit down the line winners against me even though I was standing on the correct side of the court, I didnt even have to run for the shots. Why were they winners? Because I was 100% sure he was going to hit crosscourt, he caught me by suprise. THAT is how you win matches.

Complain about lob spamming serve glitch exploiting etc, but this fixation of some about offensive / defensive means nothing. Play well enough and you will win.

James, don't want to come across as blaming DBs or personal attacks. Obviously the game has four inbuilt styles and everyone is free to play any style he wants and it is not a *bad* thing or I don't want to come across as disparaging someone who uses *DB*.

I will give you an analogy from swimming to provide a logical counter to what you said about VMoe. You heard about the story that some swim suits provide a few seconds advantage and Michael Phelps doesn't wear them, but he still beats players who wear those *advantageous* suits. If we applied your reasoning to swimming we would be suggesting that since Michael Phelps (VMoe) was able to do it but not many others in the general populace on a regular basis then the section of the general populace who doesn't use that *advantageous* swim suit is to blame because there is one exception among them (Michael Phelps) who can beat the ones who wear the *advantageous* suit. The others (besides Michael Phelps) who don't wear the *advantageous* swim suits are just not good enough and need to hit the practice courts. Now replace the *advantageous* swim suit with the DB style. It might not be illegal or against rules to swim with the *advantageous* swim suit or play with created DB, but it could be possible that there are some inbuilt advantages in that type of game play. Providing one exception to the rule doesn't negate something confirmed from statistics. Statistically there are >60% of DBS in top 20 and only one Allrounder/Serve and Volley. It could be possible that most good players play with DB, but from a statistical point of view you could argue that for someone who has mastered playing with DB the game provides distinct advantages that can help catapult him to top of the rankings by beat others on a consistent basis (not just pull off one off victories/upsets which happen to be an exception rather than the norm).

NOT suggesting that I am very good player/ NOT suggesting any of the top DBs are not good or not deserving of their rank.

I am just pointing out that such and such deduction is possible from statistical observations.

That was a great and thoughtful analogy and summarises how I felt about the game. But that wasnt the point of me creating the post; To make it clear I dont care what Angel plays as. I was merely putting out a post for a discussion mostly to get a response from Angel to see what made him want to pick up a defense player. My opinions are just that and were written in a civilised non aggressive manor.

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IMO, a game with as many flaws, errors, and issues that GST, its not fair, AT ALL, to claim someone as being better than someone else. I havent played a truly fair match since i put the disc in the wii last year. There are too many broken elements to call anything fair in this game. You never know when someones controller is completely on the fritz (or maybe you do because they simply cant hit a ball in the court) or what is going on on the others screen.

IMO, as ive stated before, ranking in this game is garbage until the game actually plays true without errors. No match is an equal fight.

i just played cmon crissy, lost 1-3, the entire last game my controller was screwed, that player prob didnt know that, or maybe he/she did because my guy kept rotating around like an idiot (not sure if that shows up on the opponents screen) but its things like that that keep this game from being anything but an honest judgment of skill or level of play. I think that in a pretty good matchup, the dbl bounce bug really kills it..because a winner is returned, most of the time i stop playing after i hit a 'non-returnable' drop or volley, only to see it fly by me a second later...maybe thats my fault - but again....this isnt skill in beating someone, that is just playing the games ERRORS, which i frankly wont do. The lag/erros/bugs in this game creates anything but an equal matchup.

The even tougher aspect of the game is just not being able to know whether or not the other person sees or knows what they are doing. Again, like the dbl bounce issue.

I gave up playing with pros and gave up caring about rank and just play to create players, which is by far the most BORING and monotonous experience ever.

EA sports juices certain aspects of their games, its never a true experience, and i absolutely hate players who play to that advantage and exploit it. in GST, that makes an unfair fight even worse. Balance is anything but EAs goal in sports games.

and i left out, imo, in ONLINE play, speed coupled with defense will beat just about any player. you pick the right guy to compensate for lag and anticipating errors, you will get to mostly every shot and make the guy hit another one. In tennis, its tough to be beat if you routinely send the opponents best shot back over the net

geez sore loser!!!!

You had me on the run in that match, you seemed to hit really good shots on the run back to me with interest.
I didnt notice any issues on your side of the net, just that the match was played at a slighter slower pace than the ones I had just played vs Vmoe.
The lag you mention works both ways. Many times I stop playing because I think I have hit a winner only to find it coming back at me too. As fast as my character is, sometimes I am not fast enough to react to it. It affects EVERYONE and double bounces are in my opinion only something seen on your opponents side of the net, so it is something that nobody takes advantage of, it is jsut a flaw of the game and you have to be aware of it if you choose to play online.

ps3.MrJamesSmith wrote:Tough post to read, but, maybe I have misunderstood, doesnt the fact that Phelps doesnt wear that suit yet still wins support my argument?

Ill read it again later to check!

But saying that DB has in built advantages is only correct if you want to play in that style yourself. The only game that gives me lots of trouble these days is an attacking game. So using that logic, would it not be fair of me to say that I am at a disadvantage because of all these attacking players who can beat me???? If they are the only players whose style can beat me (consistently) then doesnt that mean they are the ones with the advantage?

What I am trying to say is you cannot provide a counter to a generality (that in this case was 60% of top 20 are DB) by pointing out what could be an exception (VMoe -All rounder). Because that VMoe could be a Michael Phelps who is able to play at highest level with some disadvantages (lack of that advantageous *swimsuit*). You cannot for instance say that Vmoe (1/20 allrounder in top-20) can do it in certain points against a top DB, so the rule should hold for the general populace.

The fact that more than 60% of top 20 or top 100 are DBs in a game where the probability of playing a particular style is only 1/4th - 25% could indicate that there are some imbalances in the game, possible advantages of playing/mastering that particular style DB. This 60% ratio comes from all combination of games played between all different styles of players over a period of time and the skewed ratio is a more accurate predictor than one off matchups that one player (you) have had with say one particular allrounder VMoe or against some good OBs.