Need for Speed Racing Games

Oh WHY CANT YOU JUST DO IT EA?!

WHY??? TELL ME WHY?
Why do you guys at EA have to make things so damn complicated?? Why don't you use your brains for once? I mean year after year for the last like 5 years you try to revive Need For Speed, you try this and that in order to make the games good, in order to profit. you try a hell of a lot of stuff in order to make a good game, and always seek new ideas, complicating it even more....look. WHY CANT YOU JUST DO THE MOST LOGICAL THING? Just look at your forums.

I mean...Every single topic here, every single topic on EA UK forums, every single NFS video on damn youtube, every single time NFS is mentioned EVERY-FREAKING-ONE GOES ON AND ON ABOUT HOW NFS WAS ONCE GOOD!!!!

JUST LISTEN FOR ONCE ITS SO DAMN EASY ITS JUST UNDER YOUR BIG NOSE!!!

EVERY SINGLE TOPIC HAS CLASSIC AND UNDERGROUND FANS OF THE NFS WORLD GOING ON AND ON HOW THEY WANT THEIR GAMES BACK!

So, dear Electronic Arts, why don't you simply, please, pretty please, pretty sweet damn please listen to us for once AND JUST RELEASE 2 NEW NFS GAMES NEXT YEAR!!!!

OF course:

HOT PURSUIT 3 & UNDERGROUND 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoQJnDYyDU4 this is what we need.

im with you there SSJ!
a classic NFS would be righ up my ally.
i mean, over the last 5 years they have had 1! good idea. and thats the old muscle cars.
yeah, HP3 for definate. i also see youre after high stakes/ road challenge 2? hell yes, that is right down my ally due to its lower key police chases. we need the latest exotics and some truly stunning global countrysides (yorkshire dales, south african cape, mt fuji, etc) to race them on as well.

the more old school fans we have, the happier i get.

perhaps we should petition EA canada for HP3 or HS/RC2? they can argue with signatures, PROOVE to them the market is way bigger than it is for this most wanted half hashed hybrid. NFS needs to get its purity back. apure supercar game for the older NFS fan, like us, and a pure tuner game for the kids.

simples!

You know what the funny thing is? I'm 16. And people would think I'm an Underground era NFS fan. But no. I've started playing NFS when I was 2 years old. heheh. TNFS was my first racing game. I still play the classics today! Virtual PC 2007 + Windows 98 + NFS1-NFS5 = Epic Win.

anyway. to get back on topic - there's a LOT of fans that want oldschool NFS, don't be surprised when seeing new ones join the forums. The OLDSCHOOL NFS (classic nfs) fanbase is as big as (if not even bigger) than the Underground Fanbase. Simple logic proves it, but enough proof is the internet too. Simply by research you would realize that, and besides there were numeros polls on weather EA should do U3, HP3, Pro Street 2, etc. next and Hot Pursuit 3 had the lead, Unerground 3 being in close second place.

In any case The Underground fanbase is full of kids and teenagers. That means 3-17 year olds. The Classic NFS fanbase is full of...everyone. Teenagers and adults are nostalgic for Original Classic NFS games, while kids just want something fast and 'crashy'. So yeah The Classic NFS fanbase is the same or even bigger than the Underground fanbase. But due to the fanbase consisting of Adults, kids, and teenagers, only the small part is shown on the net - teenagers, some adults and some kids here and there. So thats why some people think the Underground fanbase its bigger - it's not. Adults don't express their needs the same way some of us teens do - they dont go around the net begging EA for a HP3. They just simply boycott everything that's not Classic NFS. kids arent around the forums, and some dont even know about the classic nfs games. While teens are pretty much the only ones, like you and me, around the forums requesting HP3 (and we still are one of the biggest nfs fanbases (the other being Underground fanbase)).

bottom line is if we get Hot Pursuit 3 a majority of people would be happy.

wow! long time, great way to get into games though, no wonder you love the old franchise so much if its amongst youre earliest memories i was 8 when i got nfs1, i still play them as well. my laptop has win 98 on it HEH!
nfs1-3 on pc 3 onwards on ps1 and beyond. (now 24, im probably one of the older forum members )

i agree, ive noticed a lot of fans calling for the old school, and it makes me really glad to be on these forums.
i didnt know about those polls, thanks for telling me its awesome to see HP3 got the lead, i just hope Ea will listen to them. it would really give NFS back its crown as "king of the arcade racers" wich has recently been taken by EA's own Burnout ( i wonder if criterion's NFS could be HP3, they seem to be thinking on those lines, well just have to wait until official announcement to find out. grrr)
ill have to google the polls, i may even find another nfs forum for the classic games, wich i would love to do.
i dont boycott the new ones, i just get them at a tenner second hand, they still have some fun elements, they still have a few exotics, and the maps for UC and MW have a bit of country, and im a sucker for the old muscle cars, i just avoid the tunign elements, and then spend all my time in quick race when ive got the full stock list.
id pay full price for HP3 though, i wouldnt be able to get to the shop fast enough! youd think i was in hot pursuit just getting there, lol.

thanks for explaining how the fanbase works as well, that really helps. i was giving up hope with the underground crowd, now i see that its because we only have a small selection of the NFS community on here, and just how massive the classic fan base is, from 8 year olds to 38 year olds, my hope has been restored. thanks SSJ

I'm glad i've helped.

Also easily just watch some nfs1-nfs6 youtube videos and see that there's a lot of us, still, who aren't around the forums, but are there and want a classic nfs game

anyway yeah, I still buy nfs games myself! I own every single nfs game ever made:
The Need For Speed (PC&PS1)
The Need For Speed: SE (PC)
Need For Speed 2 (PC&PS1)
Need For Speed 2:SE (PC)
NFS3: Hot Pursuit (PC)
NFS4: High Stakes (PC&PS1)
NFS5: Porsche Unleashed (PC)
NFS6: Hot Pursuit 2 (PC&PS2)
NFS: Underground (PC)
NFS: Underground 2 (PC)
NFS: Most Wanted (PC&PS2)
NFS: Carbon (PC)
NFS: Pro Street (PC)
NFS: Undercover (PC + soon on XBOX360 when I get the console)
NFS: Shift (PS3)

I'm still a sucker for the name heheh...I just feel the need to collect them all, since it's been a part of me, well all my life. (Born in '93, started walking in '94, Started playing NFS on PC in '95. Dad even tells me one of my first words was diabo (Lamborghini Diablo) hahaha)

Just to further your NFS fan base demographics research, this fan's first NFS game was ProStreet and I was 62 when I got it. Please don't forget us old fogies who love racing games but didn't start until past middle age and quite recently (the other side of your coin, eh?) On the side, I've been reading so much about the old NFS games that I just ordered a Most Wanted disc for my PC. Not at all sure that I will like it, as I didn't care much for Undercover. But ProStreet is cool in spite of its shortcomings, and I love SHIFT - although I need to get a wheel setup as the keyboard will take me only so far without dumbing down the settings too much.

It does seem that remakes of the old games to modern graphics standards would get lots of attention. But it looks to me like EA is trying to broaden its appeal, rather than focus on its traditional base. Perhaps they don't have the resources to do it all and figure there's more to be made by creating new NFS fans than by trying to satisfy the existing fans. But I like your enthusiasm, and so should EA.

Frank

cem_ea_id.makahole wrote:Just to further your NFS fan base demographics research, this fan's first NFS game was ProStreet and I was 62 when I got it. Please don't forget us old fogies who love racing games but didn't start until past middle age and quite recently (the other side of your coin, eh?) On the side, I've been reading so much about the old NFS games that I just ordered a Most Wanted disc for my PC. Not at all sure that I will like it, as I didn't care much for Undercover. But ProStreet is cool in spite of its shortcomings, and I love SHIFT - although I need to get a wheel setup as the keyboard will take me only so far without dumbing down the settings too much.

It does seem that remakes of the old games to modern graphics standards would get lots of attention. But it looks to me like EA is trying to broaden its appeal, rather than focus on its traditional base. Perhaps they don't have the resources to do it all and figure there's more to be made by creating new NFS fans than by trying to satisfy the existing fans. But I like your enthusiasm, and so should EA.

Frank

thank you, Frank.

No, I didn't forget about the 'other side of the coin' but the thing is, my point is headed at the majority of fans. Besides that each new game generates new fans. So the equasion i'm talking about is: majority of exiting fans + new ones = More profit than satisfying a minority of existing fans and creating new ones, or going all out at generating new fans.

and besides that, reading your post, I think you would be happy to drive a Classic Need For Speed type of game. Pro Street and SHIFT are the closest current games to that era.

that is one hell of a rave but all i have to say is thats what they do. would you watch the sequal to a movie if it was simply the same movie but in better resolution? maybe. but how bout the next one and the next one and the next one. they have to change it to keep people coming back.

Ok. I'm gonna put it this way. EA's most top selling games were NFS most wanted and NFS Carbon. the reason for this is that they were revolutionary. Most Wanted had polsice pursuits and daytime racing which was very different back then(i know they had already had hot pursuit but still...). then the reason Carbon was such a hit was because of customizable vinyls and AutosculptTM. and so this is what i say. players need something new. something that will blow there minds.
if you cant do that do something that would be new just to the franchise fans. like shift. they completly encroached on Gran Turismos territory by givine there fans somthing they've always wanted... customization with simulator physics.
And so I say either make your product newer or challenge someone elses territory.

That is all
-Torch

Well Torch, you've got some valid points there, though. But You're not certain enough. Look, you're kind of contradictive with yourself.

First of all let me make some things clear. The reason Most Wanted and Carbon have the sales up sky-high is because of the sudden rush of fans those years, and newborns, so to say. First of all, not everyone had a computer or a console back in the '90s. Secondly, in 2005. pretty much everyone had a pc and was playing games. So thats where you get your numbers from.

Now if you want to 'play fair' I suggest looking at the ratings instead of sales. Porsche Unleashed is the top rated NFS game. It carries the classic NFS spirit.

So in other words, if times were flipped the other way around, and if NFS was born as an Underground 1 game in 1994. The sales would be bigger today, with Hot Pursuit 2. Get it? Better quality games, more fun, educative.

Anyway, to get to the point - First you tell me how NFS must stay fresh every year, and then tell me how they should do sequels to games that sold the most cd boxes. Make your mind up?
If you want something 'fresh' I'd say you should 'refresh'. Exactly. Revive Hot Pursuit, REVIVE CLASSIC NFS! Why? because you would - at the same time - do something new for new fans, and satisfy the nostalgic ones! The game would in the same way be nostalgic for some and new for others. A perfect thing to do, to get the sales up!
Besides that, there's not a single game on the market that's even similar to Classic NFS games. It would make it's own 'teritory'.

Now you could say: But that's not new, that's not revolutionary.. - Neither was putting cops and daylight into an Underground game. It wasnt new, not then, not now. It was new back in 1994.

Another thing to make clear - I don't want a Hot Pursuit 2 with better graphics. No. What you were thinking while writing that was pure EA logic = Hey hey lets do another most wanted game with better graphics..hurr durr durr..*POP* Carbon...*POP* Undercover...*POP* Pro Street...Its the same game under the same spotlight its been for like last 10 years, only in a different cd case, better graphics and a different soundtrack. No! What I would like to see is evolution out of Hot Pursuit 2! Just like Underground evolved into Most Wanted. EVOLVE HP3 INTO SOMETHING That's the same only better. A game that hass the Classic nfs feeling, but is a tad better and has something new!

Stop recycling the Underground formula year after year, and make Hot Pursuit 3. - As I've said, this is why:
-Nostalgia for old school fans (+to sales)
-New stuff (aka fresh nfs) to new fans (+to sales)
-Evolved HP2 into something new and exciting (+to sales)
-Better ratings over the web (+to sales)
-Many fans just boycott EA nowadays, since EA doesnt listen to fans. If they do this time, people will buy it (+to sales)

oh and another thing, there wont be any '-to sales' reasons since the Underground fans pretty much buy everything EA shoots at them.
The results are only positive

so its pretty cash to EA, and sweet game to us.

cem_ea_id.Blowtorch_racing wrote:that is one hell of a rave but all i have to say is thats what they do. would you watch the sequal to a movie if it was simply the same movie but in better resolution? maybe. but how bout the next one and the next one and the next one. they have to change it to keep people coming back.

I don't know what kind of movies you like, so let's imagine you're an Indiana Jones fan. If you're about to watch another Indy movie, you know what you can expect - an adventure movie. Just think how angry you'd be if a next movie was a drama. It's quite similar thing with NFS (with Indy-adventure being NFS 1-6, and Indy-drama being all the others).

cem_ea_id.Blowtorch_racing wrote:Ok. I'm gonna put it this way. EA's most top selling games were NFS most wanted and NFS Carbon. the reason for this is that they were revolutionary. Most Wanted had polsice pursuits and daytime racing which was very different back then(i know they had already had hot pursuit but still...).

Yes, both police pursuits and daytime racing were in NFS3 (plus night races, weather effects etc.), so MW wasn't revolutionary at all - it was just Underground mixed with Hot Pursuit

Ea wants to do somethign different, well, nothign wrong with that,. heres an idea.

i cant think of any game out now that offers "road racing" with cars.

so if EA made one with long rural courses in locations like the yorkshire dales, the Isle Of Manx, the South African Cape, the Rainbow Route in Australia, the North Italian Alps, Etc, they would be offering a totally different racing experience from most games today anyway in terms of the very locations you race, in todays games the loactions are a choice of a very predicatble pair of locations, wich are either Racing tracks or crumbling american cities.

giving us a ton of vehicles (say about 700?), from Hot Hatchbacks like the Vauxhall Astra VXR and the Volkswagen Golf Mk6 R 260 to Muscle Cars such as the 1970 Chevrolet Chevelle and the 2010 Ford Shelby Mustang Gt-500 5.0, Grand Tourers such as the Rolls Royce Phantom Drop Head Coupe and the Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione, and exotics such as the Mclaren Mp4-12-c and the Lamborghini Muercielago Lp-670-4 Super Veloce, with most of the tuning games just offering about 30 base model hatches, yuck it would be bigger than most games car lists, and far more varied and unique, and with some examples going as far back as the 1920's, instead of focusing purely on modern cars like every other game, we can really compare the supercars of the 1930's like the Blower Bentley and the Duesenburg SJ, to there modern counterparts like the Bentley Continental Supersport and the Maserati Granturismo-s.
be ensuring there are no tuning Elements, and no traffic or police, would indeed be something different as 99% of games out now feature police, traffic, and tuning, or offer a racing simulation experience.

so if you took the open roads asthetic of Test Drive, and the legitimate focus of Gran Turimso, and applied NFS's arcade handling, and you could have something completly different to any game out at the current moment. and in a way, you'd have a hi-def remake of NFS-II as well.

so as goku said, to the new fans its something totally fresh, that they have never seen before in any modern game, and to the old school fan, its a proper Need For Speed, but modernised, different, and bigger and better than ever.

now, the problem with EA trax, wich have been DIRE recently. well every game now offers up a soundtrack of gangsta rap or screamo, its horrible!.
So bring back the chilled out Techo Trance of Artists like Saki Kaskas, and Rom Di Prisko, and Dastrix, and APM, give it a real "chilled club" sound, wich is completly different to every other game out.

yeah the Showroom mode needs to come back. not only was the voice over very easy to listen to, but you learned so much about the cars, who designed them, what engine they have, what are they like to drive, what new techologies do they bring to the table? you don't learn that anymore.

yeah, NFS needs to think outside the box again, with a fresh spin on an old concept.
so its familiar enough for the old fans to get nostalgia, yet diffrent enough to be a new idea in gaming, and mindblowingly unique to those who never saw the real NFS..

and i agree, forget the sales, MW might have massive sales, but here in the United Kingdom, its highest score was 5/10. High Stakes might have had lower sales as less people had consoles or computers then (1999), but back then the LOWEST score here in the UK was a 8/10 by a notoriously hard to please magazine, one that even gave Gran Turismo 2 a dismal 6/10.

its not Quantity we want, if we take that, were just going to get another lame Most Wanted, we want QAULITY again.

cem_ea_id.Blowtorch_racing wrote:that is one hell of a rave but all i have to say is thats what they do. would you watch the sequal to a movie if it was simply the same movie but in better resolution? maybe. but how bout the next one and the next one and the next one. they have to change it to keep people coming back.

Ok. I'm gonna put it this way. EA's most top selling games were NFS most wanted and NFS Carbon. the reason for this is that they were revolutionary. Most Wanted had polsice pursuits and daytime racing which was very different back then(i know they had already had hot pursuit but still...). then the reason Carbon was such a hit was because of customizable vinyls and AutosculptTM. and so this is what i say. players need something new. something that will blow there minds.
if you cant do that do something that would be new just to the franchise fans. like shift. they completly encroached on Gran Turismos territory by givine there fans somthing they've always wanted... customization with simulator physics.
And so I say either make your product newer or challenge someone elses territory.

That is all
-Torch

The Fast and Furious/ Mad Tyte Dorifter Yo/ ricer culture was at the height of popularity during those years. So what did EA do? Make a game based off of it, which explains why they were "top selling games." It really was a no-brainer on their part. Also, customizable features isn't anything new; Tokyo Extreme Racer for the Dreamcast allowed you to put bodykits on your cars back in 1999, before Underground.

And as for "challenging someone elses territory," Forza and Gran Turismo dominates when it comes to racing simulators, Shift can never play with the big boys.

NFSClassic wrote:yeah the Showroom mode needs to come back. not only was the voice over very easy to listen to, but you learned so much about the cars, who designed them, what engine they have, what are they like to drive, what new techologies do they bring to the table? you don't learn that anymore.

This.

double post, sorry

thanks for replying guys. here I want this so badly i even created a ps3 cover of it: