xbox.iClutch urGirl wrote:

cem_ea_id.Dex_Luther wrote:

battlefield.Isacc wrote:
People cry and cry about realism in games, but they don't understand that realistic games =/= competitive games. Hardcore mode has always been campy, and who sees who first JUST LIKE REAL LIFE. It's all spray and pray, because you don't need to aim for the head when a couple body shots kill just as quickly as a well placed headshot.

The only reason you can say that is because you've never played a game with proper realism. Play a Tom Clancy game (preferably one from before they were dumbed down). The first Rainbow Sixes or Ghost Recons, and then come and tell me realistic games =/= competitive games.

I competed a lot in Rainbow Six 3 (on PC and Xbox), Ghost Recon (on PC), and Ghost Recon 2 + Summit Strike (on Xbox). I can tell you the matches were much much more intense (especially on the Ghost Recons) than anything I've experienced recently. It only took 2-3 shots to bring someone down, so people were more careful and didn't go running around everywhere. You couldn't run and gun in the earlier GRs because your accuracy turned to crap. Unfortunately, morons complained about how hard and slow the game was, and the devs changed it in the newer games. It's all about the run and gun now. Especially in Halo Six: Vegas.

I played all the Tom Clancy games... way back from the very first Ghost Recon, with Island Thunder and Desert Siege. And with that game, a team with the better teamwork always won... that's just it. But nowadays, I just don't have the patience for it anymore.

I miss the old Ghost Recons. Unfortunately, that type of game is all but dead these days.

A combination Ghost Recon/Battlefield game would be pretty neat.

cem_ea_id.Dex_Luther wrote:

xbox.iClutch urGirl wrote:

cem_ea_id.Dex_Luther wrote:

battlefield.Isacc wrote:
People cry and cry about realism in games, but they don't understand that realistic games =/= competitive games. Hardcore mode has always been campy, and who sees who first JUST LIKE REAL LIFE. It's all spray and pray, because you don't need to aim for the head when a couple body shots kill just as quickly as a well placed headshot.

The only reason you can say that is because you've never played a game with proper realism. Play a Tom Clancy game (preferably one from before they were dumbed down). The first Rainbow Sixes or Ghost Recons, and then come and tell me realistic games =/= competitive games.

I competed a lot in Rainbow Six 3 (on PC and Xbox), Ghost Recon (on PC), and Ghost Recon 2 + Summit Strike (on Xbox). I can tell you the matches were much much more intense (especially on the Ghost Recons) than anything I've experienced recently. It only took 2-3 shots to bring someone down, so people were more careful and didn't go running around everywhere. You couldn't run and gun in the earlier GRs because your accuracy turned to crap. Unfortunately, morons complained about how hard and slow the game was, and the devs changed it in the newer games. It's all about the run and gun now. Especially in Halo Six: Vegas.

I played all the Tom Clancy games... way back from the very first Ghost Recon, with Island Thunder and Desert Siege. And with that game, a team with the better teamwork always won... that's just it. But nowadays, I just don't have the patience for it anymore.

I miss the old Ghost Recons. Unfortunately, that type of game is all but dead these days.

A combination Ghost Recon/Battlefield game would be pretty neat.

Yeah I'm still waiting for Ghost Recon 3 to come out. All I ask is that it's Ghost Recon 1 with better graphics.

xbox.iClutch urGirl wrote:

cem_ea_id.Dex_Luther wrote:

xbox.iClutch urGirl wrote:

cem_ea_id.Dex_Luther wrote:

battlefield.Isacc wrote:
People cry and cry about realism in games, but they don't understand that realistic games =/= competitive games. Hardcore mode has always been campy, and who sees who first JUST LIKE REAL LIFE. It's all spray and pray, because you don't need to aim for the head when a couple body shots kill just as quickly as a well placed headshot.

The only reason you can say that is because you've never played a game with proper realism. Play a Tom Clancy game (preferably one from before they were dumbed down). The first Rainbow Sixes or Ghost Recons, and then come and tell me realistic games =/= competitive games.

I competed a lot in Rainbow Six 3 (on PC and Xbox), Ghost Recon (on PC), and Ghost Recon 2 + Summit Strike (on Xbox). I can tell you the matches were much much more intense (especially on the Ghost Recons) than anything I've experienced recently. It only took 2-3 shots to bring someone down, so people were more careful and didn't go running around everywhere. You couldn't run and gun in the earlier GRs because your accuracy turned to crap. Unfortunately, morons complained about how hard and slow the game was, and the devs changed it in the newer games. It's all about the run and gun now. Especially in Halo Six: Vegas.

I played all the Tom Clancy games... way back from the very first Ghost Recon, with Island Thunder and Desert Siege. And with that game, a team with the better teamwork always won... that's just it. But nowadays, I just don't have the patience for it anymore.

I miss the old Ghost Recons. Unfortunately, that type of game is all but dead these days.

A combination Ghost Recon/Battlefield game would be pretty neat.

Yeah I'm still waiting for Ghost Recon 3 to come out. All I ask is that it's Ghost Recon 1 with better graphics.

Ghost Recon 2 was pretty cool too. The GRAW single players were cool, but they were far from being Ghost Recon like.

Normal is easier than hardcore, im sorry to say you loose. It is much harder to direct 16 people and have them all work together than it is to fly solo,and the head shot bull pulled up earlier made it sound like like u cant get headshots in hardcore mode.Your squad is under pressure as well as you, you cant run across the field to get that one kill or give away your position at the wrong time because it can blow everything for you,It forces you to use better judgment unlike normal mode where the bullets are rubber and you can get away with getting hit by a tank and if you think im exaggerating you haven't played the game long enough. If you are aware of what is happening around you then you will see the other guy before he sees you now this has been fought over plenty and im not going to relate this to reality but if you see the other guy first that's about 70% of the battle.Another thing to add is longer re-spawn times once again punishing you for being careless and running around without being aware of your surroundings.About camping, have you considered that its attack and defend id think not the defenders are suppose to maintain a position which is "camping" the fact they cant move around as easy makes it even harder on them.This is a team game at least treat it like one.Dont bother with calling me a COD * because i have regretted the day that game hit the shelves it turned the FPS community into a bunch of spray and pray fags,Liking more dmg done because your hitting them with bullets and not rocks DOES NOT MEAN you <3 COD!

If life didnt regenerate, hardcore wouldnt be as necessary. But you can pop someone, then he hides and regenerates and proceeeds to kill you.. Hardcore, you shoot him, hes dead. You try run n' gunning, you'll die... You try to run accross an open area, you die.

it goes both ways.

I honestly don't know why people are so afraid of 1 shot kill snipers....

I really doesn't make sense. If you really are afraid of us so much, then don't wander into the open. There's a sprint button for a reason, and there's also the ability to have snipers on your team for a reason.

This is a team game, and everyone who says that snipers being a 1 hit kill would be OP are just suppressing the option that they can have good snipers on their side as well to take out the enemy snipers.

cem_ea_id.SFUExclusive wrote:I honestly don't know why people are so afraid of 1 shot kill snipers....

I really doesn't make sense. If you really are afraid of us so much, then don't wander into the open. There's a sprint button for a reason, and there's also the ability to have snipers on your team for a reason.

This is a team game, and everyone who says that snipers being a 1 hit kill would be OP are just suppressing the option that they can have good snipers on their side as well to take out the enemy snipers.

In any game with 1 shot kill snipers there ends up being people running around with sniper rifles and a piece of tape on their screen to mark the center no scoping people left and right. Since a real sniper would never do something like that, something has to be done to prevent people from doing it in game.

cem_ea_id.Dex_Luther wrote:

In any game with 1 shot kill snipers there ends up being people running around with sniper rifles and a piece of tape on their screen to mark the center no scoping people left and right. Since a real sniper would never do something like that, something has to be done to prevent people from doing it in game.

Or they could just tweak the sniper rifles and add in bullet drop as well as needing to lead the target.

xbox.Checkmate11B wrote:

cem_ea_id.Dex_Luther wrote:

In any game with 1 shot kill snipers there ends up being people running around with sniper rifles and a piece of tape on their screen to mark the center no scoping people left and right. Since a real sniper would never do something like that, something has to be done to prevent people from doing it in game.

Or they could just tweak the sniper rifles and add in bullet drop as well as needing to lead the target.

Bullet drop/lead still wouldn't stop people from running around with their 0.50cal/whatever sniper one shotting people that they run into. Just like they used to do in BF:MC.

The only things that would stop that are either:

-Having the snipers unshootable while moving/standing up
or
-Having the snipers do less damage (no one shot kills)

cem_ea_id.Dex_Luther wrote:

xbox.Checkmate11B wrote:

cem_ea_id.Dex_Luther wrote:

In any game with 1 shot kill snipers there ends up being people running around with sniper rifles and a piece of tape on their screen to mark the center no scoping people left and right. Since a real sniper would never do something like that, something has to be done to prevent people from doing it in game.

Or they could just tweak the sniper rifles and add in bullet drop as well as needing to lead the target.

Bullet drop/lead still wouldn't stop people from running around with their 0.50cal/whatever sniper one shotting people that they run into. Just like they used to do in BF:MC.

The only things that would stop that are either:

-Having the snipers unshootable while moving/standing up
or
-Having the snipers do less damage (no one shot kills)

Sure it would. There'd be no way to hit someone without ADS and laying out the shot.

xbox.Checkmate11B wrote:

cem_ea_id.Dex_Luther wrote:

xbox.Checkmate11B wrote:

cem_ea_id.Dex_Luther wrote:

In any game with 1 shot kill snipers there ends up being people running around with sniper rifles and a piece of tape on their screen to mark the center no scoping people left and right. Since a real sniper would never do something like that, something has to be done to prevent people from doing it in game.

Or they could just tweak the sniper rifles and add in bullet drop as well as needing to lead the target.

Bullet drop/lead still wouldn't stop people from running around with their 0.50cal/whatever sniper one shotting people that they run into. Just like they used to do in BF:MC.

The only things that would stop that are either:

-Having the snipers unshootable while moving/standing up
or
-Having the snipers do less damage (no one shot kills)

Sure it would. There'd be no way to hit someone without ADS and laying out the shot.

He's talking about killing people at short range. Bullet drop and leading don't apply.

cem_ea_id.RK1_Turbulence wrote:

He's talking about killing people at short range. Bullet drop and leading don't apply.

Eh sure, I suppose. Operation Flashpoint seemed to work it out quite well. I can't remember ever being "no scoped" in that game

xbox.Checkmate11B wrote:

cem_ea_id.Dex_Luther wrote:

xbox.Checkmate11B wrote:

cem_ea_id.Dex_Luther wrote:

In any game with 1 shot kill snipers there ends up being people running around with sniper rifles and a piece of tape on their screen to mark the center no scoping people left and right. Since a real sniper would never do something like that, something has to be done to prevent people from doing it in game.

Or they could just tweak the sniper rifles and add in bullet drop as well as needing to lead the target.

Bullet drop/lead still wouldn't stop people from running around with their 0.50cal/whatever sniper one shotting people that they run into. Just like they used to do in BF:MC.

The only things that would stop that are either:

-Having the snipers unshootable while moving/standing up
or
-Having the snipers do less damage (no one shot kills)

Sure it would. There'd be no way to hit someone without ADS and laying out the shot.

With one shot snipers people get close. Close enough that lead/bullet drop is completely negligible. With one shot kills it doesn't matter is the bullet drops or deviates and gets the person in the ear, big toe, or pinky finger. Either way they are dead. Meanwhile you're target's shooting at you and pumping 2-3 rounds into you.

The problem is controlled while only bolt action snipers are used though since if by chance the sniper misses they probably won't get a second shot. However, that control is thrown out the window once semi-auto/auto snipers come into play.

If they make the snipers one shot kills, they're just going to have to release a patch later on down the road to un-do it anyways.

hardcore mode = camping fest
Normal mode = skill test.

Don't worry about replying me because your opinion is different than mine.

battlefield.Demon Soul wrote:hardcore mode = Defence + Smarter playing
Normal mode = * fest.

Don't worry about replying me because your opinion is different than mine.

Fixed