xbox.Go Leafs Go RAW wrote:

xbox.Andy Miller 31 wrote:

xbox.Go Leafs Go RAW wrote:Il put it this way. I too thought Page won the fight but i could find no reason to be outraged if they gave it to Machida as well

This.

Rampage won round 1; Lyoto round 3. I don't see how anyone could've seen it differently. Round 2 was 50/50. A draw would've been fair but maybe the takedown swung it.

There have been a lot of bad decisions recently. This wasn't one of them.

Kinda weird (all tho it was obvious) that Machida won the third even tho really the only two times the fight came closed to being finished were in the 3rd for page, when he spazzed out after backing up and almost/would have knocked Lyoto's head of his shoulders and the armbar slam. Personally i scored 1&2 for page n 3 for Machida but like I said the 2nd could've been scored for Machida too.

When Page was backing up he hardly even hit Machida to knock his head off, and how did I miss the slam? Machida was on his feet as soon as Page picked him up. Surely you can't judge something that wasn't there.

It's not that I'm not happy for Rampage, I just saw this fight going for Machida. Rampage barely got any strikes in, everybody was on about how he trained this and that, he didn't deliver. That's where my disappointment comes from. Being the aggressor is not a justifiable win, ok he was the aggressor, but did he capitalise? No, so I don't really see how that can affect the outcome.

xbox.UCLANUPE wrote:They will do it again. Those two "HAVE" to fight again.

After a night's sleep and some reflection time, i'm still shocked by BJ maybe as much as Matt..nah but close.

I am looking forward to seeing more improvement from Davis and that Barboza guy gave me nightmare's VERY impressive.

I enjoyed the card.

BTW, did any of you see Paul Williams get KTFO last night on HBO? Keep your hands up son or you'll get face planted hehe.

Sergio Martinez is a bad *. I think he's top 4 p4p guys for sure, depending on Marquez performance he might jump up to top 3 right after Floyd.

I rewatched the fight and I just don't see how anybody could score it for Machida. I think the best case Machida could make was the first round being a draw but the second round was clearly Rampage's in my eyes.

xbox.Well Loved wrote:

xbox.UCLANUPE wrote:They will do it again. Those two "HAVE" to fight again.

After a night's sleep and some reflection time, i'm still shocked by BJ maybe as much as Matt..nah but close.

I am looking forward to seeing more improvement from Davis and that Barboza guy gave me nightmare's VERY impressive.

I enjoyed the card.

BTW, did any of you see Paul Williams get KTFO last night on HBO? Keep your hands up son or you'll get face planted hehe.

Sergio Martinez is a bad *. I think he's top 4 p4p guys for sure, depending on Marquez performance he might jump up to top 3 right after Floyd.

I knew Sergio was good but i'm suprised Williams left himself open like that. He's one of the most technical boxers in the game right now, i'm suprised he made a huge mistake like that.

IDK, I have to say from day one I saw that guy he made me think of how Tommy Hearns use to leave himself open after punching. I am actually surprised it didn't happen before.

xbox.jbrock11 wrote:He landed the most significant strike in the first round IMO with that uppercut he threw off the fence. However, if you consider the striking a tie in the first round like I did, there is still no debate about who controlled the cage and who was more aggressive.

I mean I didn't see Machida winning the fight. I thought it could possibly be a draw but like I posted before the third round, I though Rampage had it 2 rounds to 0. I don't think it was a robbery by any means, it was too close of a fight.

For what it's worth Dana said in the press conference that he thought Rampage won the fight as well.

One strike shouldn't be the whole round. Thats just a dumb logic. He landed the biggest strike so what?Machida still landed more in the stand up either way. I also don't like when people say"Rampage controlled the octagon" when the way machida fights thats how he wants it so wouldn't he really be the one controlling the fight? I jus don't like the whole"he was agressive so he wins" makes no sense.

Now you want to take what Dana says serious? Give me a break, you're always on him and NOW you want to agree with him? lol you shouldn't have mentioned him at all because it makes no sense

Oh well, it was a good fight regardless, but judges need to be cracked down on ffs

One strike shouldn't be the whole round. Thats just a dumb logic. He landed the biggest strike so what?Machida still landed more in the stand up either way. I also don't like when people say"Rampage controlled the octagon" when the way machida fights thats how he wants it so wouldn't he really be the one controlling the fight? I jus don't like the whole"he was agressive so he wins" makes no sense.

A strike can make a difference if the round is as close as that first one, especially since the judges take into account the effectiveness of the strike.

Also, styles don't play into a judges decision. If your backing up your considered on the defense, and if your coming forward your considered being the aggressor and on offense. Just like if somebody is on their back, it doesn't matter if somebody is effective with striking or grappling off his back, the guy on top is always gonna be considered the aggressor and get the round. Machida's style is effective but it handicaps him as far as decisions go, especially when he's not throwing an overwhelming amount of strikes.

Now you want to take what Dana says serious? Give me a break, you're always on him and NOW you want to agree with him? lol you shouldn't have mentioned him at all because it makes no sense

Notice I say, "For what it's worth". He's not a judge but if he thought Machida was robbed, i'm sure he wouldn't hesitate letting people know about it.

First off, LOL to everyone saying; 'BJ Penn is back,...' Where the hell did he go in the first place? He lost 2 close fights in a row to a guy in Frankie Edgar who is a bad match-up for him, other than that, BJ has been killing his opponents.

Anyways, just re-watched the Rampage/ Machida fight. All I can say is, bad decision. It was close, but the only decisive round was won handily by Machida in the 3rd....I had it scored dead even going into the 3 rd round. Rampage getting the TD in the 2nd wasn't enough for me to score it for him, especially when it looks to me that Machida earned a knock-down of Rampage at the end of the 2nd round. And I don't see the 'controll' and 'aggression' that everyone keeps going on and on about with Rampage in this fight. Everytime they clinched, Machida reversed it at some point or shook Rampage off. And everytime Machida clinched, Rampage did the same. As far as the aggression part goes, I didn't see it at all. Rampage came forward because Machida is a counter fighter, so I can't fathom why anyone considers that 'aggression'. Not only that, but Rampage wasn't really throwing too much anyways as far as strikes go to earn the aggression points that way either.

I don't know, I can't be too mad here, because I'm a fan of both guys. I just personally think Machida won. Either way you look at it, the fight wasn't a dominant performance by either guy.

cem_ea_id.MasterEnemy2 wrote:First off, LOL to everyone saying; 'BJ Penn is back,...' Where the hell did he go in the first place? He lost 2 close fights in a row to a guy in Frankie Edgar who is a bad match-up for him, other than that, BJ has been killing his opponents.

agreed...BJ never went anywhere. just ran into a very bad match up for him in Edgar.

I also had the Machida/Page fight for Machida, as did most everyone else in the room.

cem_ea_id.MasterEnemy2 wrote:First off, LOL to everyone saying; 'BJ Penn is back,...' Where the hell did he go in the first place? He lost 2 close fights in a row to a guy in Frankie Edgar who is a bad match-up for him, other than that, BJ has been killing his opponents.

Anyways, just re-watched the Rampage/ Machida fight. All I can say is, bad decision. It was close, but the only decisive round was won handily by Machida in the 3rd....I had it scored dead even going into the 3 rd round. Rampage getting the TD in the 2nd wasn't enough for me to score it for him, especially when it looks to me that Machida earned a knock-down of Rampage at the end of the 2nd round. And I don't see the 'controll' and 'aggression' that everyone keeps going on and on about with Rampage in this fight. Everytime they clinched, Machida reversed it at some point or shook Rampage off. And everytime Machida clinched, Rampage did the same. As far as the aggression part goes, I didn't see it at all. Rampage came forward because Machida is a counter fighter, so I can't fathom why anyone considers that 'aggression'. Not only that, but Rampage wasn't really throwing too much anyways as far as strikes go to earn the aggression points that way either.

I don't know, I can't be too mad here, because I'm a fan of both guys. I just personally think Machida won. Either way you look at it, the fight wasn't a dominant performance by either guy.

Where was the aggression when he fought Edgar? Where was the crazed dog look in his eyes? That's what people are referring to when they say BJ is back. I could see it in his eyes when he was coming to the cage. I even commented on here that he looked like the old BJ.

I also don't think Edgar was a bad match up for him. If he was in fact a bad match up, I doubt the betting odds would have put Edgar as the underdog in both of their fights. He let Frankie control those fights and he payed for it.

The way he fought Edgar by just trying to box no doubt lost him the fight IMO. If he would have fought Edgar like the old BJ, by coming out and being aggressive and getting in Edgar's face, I think he probably would have won those fights.

xbox.jbrock11 wrote:I rewatched the fight and I just don't see how anybody could score it for Machida. I think the best case Machida could make was the first round being a draw but the second round was clearly Rampage's in my eyes.

Kenny Florian and the ESPN guys think Machida won taht fight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC-PFWxS7nY&feature=sub

It was a good fight anyways I do think Machida wonthough plus the sexy combo he got on Rampage



Plus Rampage's face after the fight