I love MMA period.

I don't care what banner name/organization it is as long as I can see some skilled guys with heart beyond the average fan watching i'm there. I have said I would watch Mom & Pops MMAorg.com if I could. I'm a MMA junkie, which leaves no room for the fanboy thing you young cats got going on.

I honestly in the depth of my heart and mind cannot understand "if" you are a true "MMA" fan how you could possibly get into these superfluous arguments about MMA "organizations".

cem_ea_id.projectxMaYHeM wrote:

I understand that a lot of people here like to bash SF

-Brock

There are only around 3 people on this site that actually 'bash' SF. And about 4 (myself included along with SLB, Mayem, and VV) that don't seem to have an allegiance either way -but concede that in most areas, the UFC is better overall.

From there, theres about 5 more, SF biased fans that are at least reasonable to talk with here.

The rest? Are posters like you that crap on anything UFC related and are boarderline 'extremists' lol. So, IDK where you get the idea that ' a lot' of people in here like to talk smack about SF. At all.

THIS^.

the few people that were bashing SF were obvious trolls if I remember right...this board, if anything, is ANTI-UFC.

True, whether people want to admit it or not. I'm anti-Zuff, or anti-Dana White but I don't let that cloud the obvious. Strikeforce is good competition, they put on some great cards and overall I think they have a great future.

But as far as UFC v.s. SF competiton wise, its not even worth arguing. Alot of the best fighters in SF can hold their own and even exceed in the UFC, but SF really, really lacks depth. It's getting better, but lots all be honest here.

Guys, it's not even a far fight and kinda silly to compare. Under half a mil watching SF while 2.1ish mil watched the UFC. That's over 4:1, not even a fight. While I agree the SF card was a great card, their best product of the year. But it's still a collage football team going against a pro team.

xbox.UCLANUPE wrote:I love MMA period.

I don't care what banner name/organization it is as long as I can see some skilled guys with heart beyond the average fan watching i'm there. I have said I would watch Mom & Pops MMAorg.com if I could. I'm a MMA junkie, which leaves no room for the fanboy thing you young cats got going on.

I honestly in the depth of my heart and mind cannot understand "if" you are a true "MMA" fan how you could possibly get into these superfluous arguments about MMA "organizations".

^THIS right here is the best attitude overall.

And if you read what I type (or others like VV, SLB or Mayhem) we don't talk sh*t about other orgs or fighters while making our opinions and statements clear; we simply state what we feel and why we feel that way. It doesn't take much reading skill to go through a thread like this and see who the troubled thoughtless posters are. Its always the guys that say dumb crap like 'this guy would kick that guys *ss' or; 'so and so is a can' -and for the most part, I really don't offer up those types of statements. Unless its Kimbo Slice or Brett Rogers we're talking about lol.

That said, after that, theres the discussion, the breakdown, the 'what would happen if this guy fought that guy' and ultimately, the comparing of orgs too. You can't just come along and say that its a 'young' guy thing to want to analyze and dissect these aspects -this type of discussion is part of what comes with being a 'fan' of anything. Its also what happens to have to go into deciding things like rankings and where certain fighters should be positioned in the sport as far as relevancy goes. To me, this kind of expression of thought is healthy for gaining perspective on things overall in any given sport.

It also gives the PEOPLE a voice by which to put your finger on the pulse of -which is very important too imo.

xbox.jbrock11 wrote:

Couture = legend, he won, there was no one to fight Tim Sylvia. The HW divison sucked thats why Couture moved up to fight him. At least he didn't lose to get a title shot ffs. Your post made no sense there

Going 1-1 in the UFC and getting a title shot is just as bad.

Also, Rogers lost to Fedor, Brock lost to Mir.....a little bit of difference in talent level there.

I don't care what anyone says, there is no way in hell Brock deserved a title shot after beating a guy who wasn't even a contender for the title.

So you say I'm wrong about Alves' TDD yet you mentioned that he works at American Top Team and doesn't work with the best strikers....that doesn't make any sense what so ever. Which one is it?

What does working with the best strikers have to do with TDD? You need to do a better job of putting together your thoughts/sentences. They're as hard to follow as a drunken conversation between James Toney and Dan Severn.

lol you're ridiculous

But, SF is a minor league. It's not a bad thing, it's just the truth. It's for guys that can't hang in the UFC anymore or that are still working their way up to the UFC. Yeah, there are a couple of stars that can hang in the UFC, just like the USFL and CFL had legit stars that could play in the NFL but they were still minor leagues. If you asked EVERY SF fighter if they would rather fight on SF or the UFC, at least 80% of them would say the UFC and I think I'm being kind with only saying 80%. It doesn't mean they can't put on great fights cause they can and do but they are still minor league fights IMO. And just like the UFC, not every fight in the UFC is a legit major league fight. Hell, look at the War Machine vs Rollins fight. Freaking GREAT fight but neither guy deserved to be in the UFC but it was still a hell of a fight and fun to watch.

Strikeforce had lots of knockouts, but that"s as far as it goes. Every good fighter from Strikeforce moves to the UFC, and Strikeforce in return gets the left overs from the UFC.
Cung le is really good, but he will surely move to the UFC when he gets bored with stiff competition.
I mean, look at the UFC champs : Aldo, Edgar, GSP, Silva, Rua, Velasquez...UFC is the real deal, face it...

cem_ea_id.MasterEnemy2 wrote:

xbox.UCLANUPE wrote:I love MMA period.

I don't care what banner name/organization it is as long as I can see some skilled guys with heart beyond the average fan watching i'm there. I have said I would watch Mom & Pops MMAorg.com if I could. I'm a MMA junkie, which leaves no room for the fanboy thing you young cats got going on.

I honestly in the depth of my heart and mind cannot understand "if" you are a true "MMA" fan how you could possibly get into these superfluous arguments about MMA "organizations".

^THIS right here is the best attitude overall.

And if you read what I type (or others like VV, SLB or Mayhem) we don't talk sh*t about other orgs or fighters while making our opinions and statements clear; we simply state what we feel and why we feel that way. It doesn't take much reading skill to go through a thread like this and see who the troubled thoughtless posters are. Its always the guys that say dumb crap like 'this guy would kick that guys *ss' or; 'so and so is a can' -and for the most part, I really don't offer up those types of statements. Unless its Kimbo Slice or Brett Rogers we're talking about lol.

That said, after that, theres the discussion, the breakdown, the 'what would happen if this guy fought that guy' and ultimately, the comparing of orgs too. You can't just come along and say that its a 'young' guy thing to want to analyze and dissect these aspects -this type of discussion is part of what comes with being a 'fan' of anything. Its also what happens to have to go into deciding things like rankings and where certain fighters should be positioned in the sport as far as relevancy goes. To me, this kind of expression of thought is healthy for gaining perspective on things overall in any given sport.

It also gives the PEOPLE a voice by which to put your finger on the pulse of -which is very important too imo.

I read your first line and thought oh he gets it. The more I read the less I felt my point was understood and by the end with the people's voice thing I realized all is lost. No worries, carry on.

I read your first line and thought oh he gets it. The more I read the less I felt my point was understood and by the end with the people's voice thing I realized all is lost. No worries, carry on.

-UCLANUPE


Then perhaps you'd care to clarify? Personally, I do get your point. But just because I get it, doesn't mean I completely agree with it either. There are lines between agreement and understanding. I mean (for example), I understand why people think Fedor is so awesome and beleive he is the best ever, but I don't agree with them.

Your attitude of just being a fan of fighters and not orgs is absolutley fine, but then also saying how you can't understand how people can get into arguments over fighters-and the orgs they compete in -when some of these fighters may never get to fight one another because there is no cross promotion stuff going on- while taking the time to spend time posting your opinions on other peoples opinions about it yourself.....seems to kind of miss the point on your end as well, as well as at least tip-toe right up to the line of; WTF lol?

Again, I do not see a problem with an avenue of communication and discussion exsisting between the fans of any given sport -wether it be in agreement, or disagreement. And being that this specific sport bosts different organazations competing in the same sport, same weight classes -with the very real element of never really being able to crown a true champion with toe-to-toe elimination, I can perfectly understand and accept (maybe most importantly here)the conflict, and the discussion of it.

And its also OK for you not to. And thats what makes free will and all those other things that make every individual on this planet unique little snow-flakes; we aren't always going to be on the same page while co-exsisiting in the same book.

cem_ea_id.MasterEnemy2 wrote:

I read your first line and thought oh he gets it. The more I read the less I felt my point was understood and by the end with the people's voice thing I realized all is lost. No worries, carry on.

-UCLANUPE


Then perhaps you'd care to clarify? Personally, I do get your point. But just because I get it, doesn't mean I completely agree with it either. There are lines between agreement and understanding. I mean (for example), I understand why people think Fedor is so awesome and beleive he is the best ever, but I don't agree with them.

Your attitude of just being a fan of fighters and not orgs is absolutley fine, but then also saying how you can't understand how people can get into arguments over fighters-and the orgs they compete in -when some of these fighters may never get to fight one another because there is no cross promotion stuff going on- while taking the time to spend time posting your opinions on other peoples opinions about it yourself.....seems to kind of miss the point on your end as well, as well as at least tip-toe right up to the line of; WTF lol?

Again, I do not see a problem with an avenue of communication and discussion exsisting between the fans of any given sport -wether it be in agreement, or disagreement. And being that this specific sport bosts different organazations competing in the same sport, same weight classes -with the very real element of never really being able to crown a true champion with toe-to-toe elimination, I can perfectly understand and accept (maybe most importantly here)the conflict, and the discussion of it.

And its also OK for you not to. And thats what makes free will and all those other things that make every individual on this planet unique little snow-flakes; we aren't always going to be on the same page while co-exsisiting in the same book.

I read your posts to me and they are kinda full of this freedom thing as if I ever said anything that serious. That is way way overboard dude, i'm not trying to control your freedom of expression you are taking things way too far.

This is the direct quote from up thread:

I honestly in the depth of my heart and mind cannot understand "if" you are a true "MMA" fan how you could possibly get into these superfluous arguments about MMA "organizations".

I made it red and bold this time it was already quoted. That is there for the people reading it to understand that its NOT the fighters debate that seems like you said a normal part of being a fan. However, the once again ORGANIZATION fanboy thing is difficult to get and let me tell you why so its very clear.

"IF" you are a true "MMA" fan why would you want to see ANY MMA organization do poorly? Well in a nutshell thats what the fanboy thing seems like to me, that some people not all, would like to see another MMA organization fold as if thats good for the sport overall. I don't see that as beneficial to the sport at this stage.

I would much rather see the sport do an NFL/AFL style champions league deal that would rock the house in terms of overall attention that would be focused on the sport. Thats the kind of union that could grow this sport and make it part of the top tier sporting worldwide.

I watched the NFL/AFL go through this kinda of talent fight and in the end it made much more economic sense to merge than to be separate. Hoping for something like that is a good thing I think.

testing to see if I can even get a simple reply here. I've replied a few time but they don't show up.

xbox.UCLANUPE wrote:
I read your posts to me and they are kinda full of this freedom thing as if I ever said anything that serious. That is way way overboard dude, i'm not trying to control your freedom of expression you are taking things way too far.

once again ORGANIZATION fanboy thing is difficult to get and let me tell you why so its very clear.

"IF" you are a true "MMA" fan why would you want to see ANY MMA organization do poorly? Well in a nutshell thats what the fanboy thing seems like to me, that some people not all, would like to see another MMA organization fold as if thats good for the sport overall. I don't see that as beneficial to the sport at this stage.

Dude, once again, I get all this. I think its you thats misunderstanding me.

Now, I am not saying that I agree with any of the 'org' fans -I don't. I've said a million times; I'm a fan of fighters, not orgs.

But what you don't seem to grasp is, there are people out there (especially on THIS site) that feel the UFC is bad for MMA. And THAT is why they support 1 org over the other. Hell, were you around for the thread created a month or 2 ago asking: 'Is the UFC bad for MMA'?

Again, I see exactly where you are coming from, I am simply speaking for those on this site that differ from you. Ironically, you and I seem to be on the same side. NOW, when the straight up question comes up of : 'which org is the best' -wether or not you feel that question is necessary- I will answer that question as honest as I can, using facts to support my beleifs.

So there it is, thats why people (on this site especially) cheer for 1 org to fall. I think its hilarious myself, but there are those that feel it would be better for MMA. And if you really want to know why they feel that the UFC is 'bad' for MMA, ask them why. It shouldn't take you too long to figure out who to ask about it on this site lol.

Oh, and I am calm, calmer then you anyway

ok.