The Masters

i can hope next will be alot different make this game more real like take away the putting line and make everyone putt lol i love this year's game live tourneys are awesome they really stepped up to the bar however every year that comes out someone has to complain about it lol nothing new ive been playing online since 03 when it was just online tourneys. this is far the best year besides 04,05 . live tournaments scores yeah theres peeps out there replaying all the time but thats been apart of TW all along i agree there should be one try your done ! after all real golf you cant start over lol as far as low scores on the live tournaments my first tournament i shot a -31 on bayhill i shot lights out one try done lucky really but thats golf . ive been hearing that they are gonna change the way everyone plays ranked games as well this will help * out those players who just wait for level ones all the time and also you wont have to wait for a game i sit in the lobby sometimes for 30 min trying to play and no one will lol so i hope EA fixes this prob.

wii.SteelCityBoy wrote:They are called "video game wizards".

Most of them are people with no life, AND no job.

A deadly combination.

Also, 75% of them cheat.

Lol absolutely right m8, plus the Play yourself sick individuals, stat boosting with two consoles

this is too nimmo___007 is it lol -95? hmm not bad my best is a -110 and i dont cheat!!! period.... i finish in the top ten all the time its called HOLEOUTS and i do it at least 6 a round !!! or try to other peeps like handsward for example shoots lights out all the time that guy is awesome at this game as well as cccgolfer ive played them beat them both but they always get the best of me . and they are excellent at this game . so i guess were all cheaters in your book. as far as EA they will watch and enjoy the low scores because they know there isnt a way to cheat the ps3 system unless you mod your ps3.

I'm not going to start accusing anyone of cheating but recording 4 round scores of -28 -30 - 29 -30 is just too consistant to be legit.
Being able to just pause and quit after a bad start and re-start spoils the real fun for everyone.
If it's easy enough for EA to track a D/C when playing multiplayer then surely it can be done for the live tournaments and rounds locked out for re-starters.

ps3.DeadlyDazza wrote:I'm not going to start accusing anyone of cheating but recording 4 round scores of -28 -30 - 29 -30 is just too consistant to be legit.

On 9/27/09 in this thread I made this post -

The lowest scores in relation to par over 72-holes on the PGA Tour:

31-under
• Ernie Els, 2003 Mercedes Championship, 261 total, par-73

29-under
• Joe Durant*, 2001 Bob Hope Chrysler Classic, 259, par-72
• Tim Herron*, 2003 Bob Hope Chrysler Classic, 259, par-72

28-under
• John Huston, 1998 United Airlines Hawaiian Open, 260, par-72
• Mark Calcavecchia, 2001 Phoenix Open, 256, par-71
• Stuart Appleby*, 2003 Las Vegas Invitational, 259
• Phil Mickelson, 2006 BellSouth Classic, 260, par-72

*First four rounds of 5-round tournament

These are record scores for four rounds in the PGA Tour. EA Sports Tiger Woods PGA Tour is just an arcade game and not realistic or true to the PGA game in anyway.

At that time I wasn't experienced enough to get scores like this in TW10 but now after reading some of the help posts from others here in these forums and playing the GamerNet challenges I'm able to reach scores of -28 or better in 4 rounds.

The truely unreal scores of -100 to -141 in 4 rounds are amazing but, I now believe that those scores are legitimately possible as you learn to handle the expert clubs tuned to their best. There might be some out there using some little tricks to obtain unrealistic scores.

I was getting upset at first about the live scores but after doing a little PGA history research I found that I really wasn't doing so bad. In TW10 couch Hank makes you feel like you are not doing very well but if you look at the pros skill stats you will find that they are really not much better than yours. Tiger is the only one with the top skill stats and they aren't all 11's or 12's.

Here is the best way to really start enjoying the game, if you are getting average PGA scores you are doing great. The unrealistic scores will come as you get better at the game and you must remember that this is an arcade game and not a true to life sim golf. The average score for the average real life player for 72 holes is +28 for 4 rounds.

Keep practicing and play the Gamer Net challenges, I have learned a lot from playing them.

Good Luck!

I play this game about every day. Not to say that I'm a great player but I can go through a round with out a Par Most times I eagle the par 5's.
Now my score is around 22 - 24 under then you look at the top players and they shoot 29-31 under. How do you eagle every hole? The wind is 15-26 no way to drive the green and still they eagle.
I'm just saying something is up.

The number 1 guy today has 3 hole in ones a double eagle, 9 eagles and 4 birdies with one par.

JUST NO WAY you can say what you want JUST NO WAY

I'm not saying that it cheating I'm saying what ever it is they are doing puts them in a league by them selves.

So make a tornament just for them or open up and tell us what they are doing so we can all join the fun.

Y'all have a good day now ya hear.

DumbDad

If you play the event more than once then it is actually very simple. The top players rarely miss a holeout by more than a few inches. If you take note of where you aimed the 1st time through and how much you missed by then you simply adjust by that much on your 2nd run and voila....drano.

cem_ea_id.Scotia650 wrote:If you play the event more than once then it is actually very simple. The top players rarely miss a holeout by more than a few inches. If you take note of where you aimed the 1st time through and how much you missed by then you simply adjust by that much on your 2nd run and voila....drano.

BS...and u know it.

It has gone to the point of ridiculous.

Some of you defenders of the "just good playing" explain this.

At the top of the leaderboard for the Difaz's Double Down community appreciation tournaments is a play shooting -20. THAT IS -20 FOR 9 HOLES! And you are going to tell me this is just good shooting?

Checking the other boards at 7:25 am (CST) I see the Daily Open Amateur, which is generally a slug fest, is at -22 under. Reasonable. The Tier 10, which is where I am at for now, is at -24. Good considering this is a 1 try event. The Daily Tour Pro is at -18. Nice round guys. And the freaking Extreme Tour Pro is at -5. Nice.

-20 for 9 holes with 11 mile hour winds. OK you "Pros" out there. Come to the defense and let me in on how this is just "good" playing. Since no one seems to like the word "cheating" then someone tell me how this was done without any "assistance".

EA are ya listening. This is getting to the point of being stupid. What is the point now for the "average" player entering events like this. I don't expect to win every event. But it would be nice to someday, soley on playing the game "out of the box" at least place somewhere near the top. And I am sure others feel the same way. Otherwise there is not much incentive to play the online events.

I don't know how this is happening but if you look at the odds, this wasn't done just by "good" playing. And anyone that defends it as that is either naive or involved. If it was so disappointing it would almost be laughable.

xbox.Lulz4Food wrote:It has gone to the point of ridiculous.

Some of you defenders of the "just good playing" explain this.

At the top of the leaderboard for the Difaz's Double Down community appreciation tournaments is a play shooting -20. THAT IS -20 FOR 9 HOLES! And you are going to tell me this is just good shooting?

Checking the other boards at 7:25 am (CST) I see the Daily Open Amateur, which is generally a slug fest, is at -22 under. Reasonable. The Tier 10, which is where I am at for now, is at -24. Good considering this is a 1 try event. The Daily Tour Pro is at -18. Nice round guys. And the freaking Extreme Tour Pro is at -5. Nice.

-20 for 9 holes with 11 mile hour winds. OK you "Pros" out there. Come to the defense and let me in on how this is just "good" playing. Since no one seems to like the word "cheating" then someone tell me how this was done without any "assistance".

EA are ya listening. This is getting to the point of being stupid. What is the point now for the "average" player entering events like this. I don't expect to win every event. But it would be nice to someday, soley on playing the game "out of the box" at least place somewhere near the top. And I am sure others feel the same way. Otherwise there is not much incentive to play the online events.

I don't know how this is happening but if you look at the odds, this wasn't done just by "good" playing. And anyone that defends it as that is either naive or involved. If it was so disappointing it would almost be laughable.

Looks like the same guy (XBOX) is dominating most of the community tournies I saw he won most of them last week and is doing the same this week - including the single try, multitry Tiger only etc and that el Nino tournie with the crazy winds, also it is the same guys who are in the top 10-20 most of the time when they play maybe they are just better than the average players who rip it for a few hours a day or so - these top players must play it all of the time to shoot that low. I need to put more time in on this game!

I think calling it "good shooting" is a minomer. In reality it's "methodical shooting via retries".

When the wind on a tournament is static and you can restart your round as often as you like and you combine that with the laser-like accuracy the game allows then how these scores are obtained is obvious.

Let me describe just 1 hole and then you can multiply that by 18 to see exactly how it's done.

Say hole 1 is a par 4 470 yards. As with most tee shots you can just hit it with the driver without having to aim left/right to hit the center of the fairway. On the approach you hit a SW from 130 yards and because of the wind at 6mph left-to-right you tap over 10 taps to the left. Your approach shot misses 3 feet to the left of the cup.

So you restart your round, hit the driver without aiming and it goes to the exact same spot on the fairway. Sandwedge again from 130 but this time you only go 9 taps to the left for the wind. Wa-la it's in the cup.

Onto hole 2 and figure the exact landing spots, %'s, and left/right aim and now you have a a map of the 1st 2 holes onto hole 3.

A round may take an hour or 2 and by the time you get to hole 18 you have actually restarted your round dozens and dozens of times. It's not rocket science. And it's definitely arguable whether this is considered "good shooting".

Yesterday at Riviera on Tour Pro the leader was -28, 2 aces, 1 double eagle and like 6 more eagles. Nobody is good or lucky enough to produce that in 1 try. But by following the above formula it's really not that hard. (If you still don't believe, I suggest you try it on a tournament today). Why so few others are doing that is because 1.) it's not all that fun to do, 2.) everyone will then know your "skills" are based on multiple retries and maps, and 3.) all this effort won't get you a real paycheck at the end of the day.

So to those who are doing this, big deal, you aren't "all that". In fact, if you really love this game look at all the people you've turned off from TW because your scores are so out of whack with what us Average Joes are doing when we make 1-try just that.

I won't go so far to say doing the above is cheating. Anyone can do it if they want to put in the effort. The fact that some are doing this every day with multiple tournaments only shows that they have too much time on their hands for something that means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. Sad but true.

xbox.Oblong wrote:I think calling it "good shooting" is a minomer. In reality it's "methodical shooting via retries".

When the wind on a tournament is static and you can restart your round as often as you like and you combine that with the laser-like accuracy the game allows then how these scores are obtained is obvious.

Let me describe just 1 hole and then you can multiply that by 18 to see exactly how it's done.

Say hole 1 is a par 4 470 yards. As with most tee shots you can just hit it with the driver without having to aim left/right to hit the center of the fairway. On the approach you hit a SW from 130 yards and because of the wind at 6mph left-to-right you tap over 10 taps to the left. Your approach shot misses 3 feet to the left of the cup.

So you restart your round, hit the driver without aiming and it goes to the exact same spot on the fairway. Sandwedge again from 130 but this time you only go 9 taps to the left for the wind. Wa-la it's in the cup.

Onto hole 2 and figure the exact landing spots, %'s, and left/right aim and now you have a a map of the 1st 2 holes onto hole 3.

A round may take an hour or 2 and by the time you get to hole 18 you have actually restarted your round dozens and dozens of times. It's not rocket science. And it's definitely arguable whether this is considered "good shooting".

Yesterday at Riviera on Tour Pro the leader was -28, 2 aces, 1 double eagle and like 6 more eagles. Nobody is good or lucky enough to produce that in 1 try. But by following the above formula it's really not that hard. (If you still don't believe, I suggest you try it on a tournament today). Why so few others are doing that is because 1.) it's not all that fun to do, 2.) everyone will then know your "skills" are based on multiple retries and maps, and 3.) all this effort won't get you a real paycheck at the end of the day.

So to those who are doing this, big deal, you aren't "all that". In fact, if you really love this game look at all the people you've turned off from TW because your scores are so out of whack with what us Average Joes are doing when we make 1-try just that.

I won't go so far to say doing the above is cheating. Anyone can do it if they want to put in the effort. The fact that some are doing this every day with multiple tournaments only shows that they have too much time on their hands for something that means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. Sad but true.

I can see what you mean with multi try tournies but this player has done it with the single try tournie as well and once you start you cannot quit out and start again..... so something else is up with this!!

Some "single-try" tournaments are really just single submission. Meaning you can restart as often as you like as long as you don't sign the scorecard at the end.

As for the ones that a truly 1-try, no restarts...first, if they are on Live weather then they can set up a practice round with mulligans on and they will get the exact same winds as the tournament so they can plot and plan without actually going into the tournament. Otherwise if it's 1-try no restarts and not Live weather then they would need multiple ids (easy to do on PS3, cost $ for XBox) to work the system.

xbox.Oblong wrote:Some "single-try" tournaments are really just single submission. Meaning you can restart as often as you like as long as you don't sign the scorecard at the end.

As for the ones that a truly 1-try, no restarts...first, if they are on Live weather then they can set up a practice round with mulligans on and they will get the exact same winds as the tournament so they can plot and plan without actually going into the tournament. Otherwise if it's 1-try no restarts and not Live weather then they would need multiple ids (easy to do on PS3, cost $ for XBox) to work the system.

This was an xbox single try no restarts and the said player was top there as well, I am inclinded to think that this could be a leglit score as nobody is going to buy like 10-20 accounts sign in and out each time NO WAY I don't buy that lol maybe it was just luck not sure really he was only one shot clear i think. (It was not live weather either!)

I have 3 accounts in my house...2 boys each have thier own and then mine. I would not put it past anyone to anything that is possible considering you have people who have played the same 9 holes for 4 years straight thousands upon thousands of times often against a shill account just to get wins. When you see such tomfoolery then I personally have lost all hope in humanity and don't put anything possible out of the realm of possibility.