Roster and Ratings Discussion: Minnesota Vikings

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xbox.ubiquinon wrote:did anyone notice how great Phil Loadholt played this game? Wow, he owned Aaron Kampman. Check out the "Favre Highlight vs Green Bay" and watch Loadholt go to work....

http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/Full-Highlights-Vikings-38-Packers-26/f773c205-f553-4f44-8e4c-c6e2a3748129#?id=252f0767-b4d1-4720-8c18-c20ca0a7c55a

ps: make sure to select "Favre Highlight vs Green Bay" after you click on the link.

Now he just needs to block better for AD.

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Favre Named NFC Offensive Player of the Week. At Least the NFL is giving Brett the respect he deserves. Stick this in your pipe and smoke it EA Sports, instead of the stuff your smoking now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Favre Named NFC Offensive Player of the Week. At Least the NFL is giving Brett the respect he deserves. Stick this in your pipe and smoke it EA Sports, instead of the stuff your smoking now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Time for ratings drop! Donny drops the good ones, boosts the bad ones. Farve how dare you be good like you have all season!

I love when Donny defends himself saying he goes by all the stats, looks into all the numbers and theres still this one dividing factor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGioqT9l_Lk

Niuff said!

4. Griffen. Rightfully deserves a drop. Yet AGAIN, you see CEDRIC Griffen letting up another BIG play---to James Jones (which lead to the Packers first TD). And then, if you didn't notice on Rodgers HUGE scramble for 35 yards...Griffen stopped running after Rodgers got 5 or so yards for the first down, BUT had he kept on Running hard, Griffen could have gotten to Rodgers a lot sooner and made it a lot shorter scramble.
5. Brian Robison. Can someone tell the big man he's not a RB or WR? What makes a DE on KR's think he'd be able to take it to the house? Even if he had a clear path to the endzone, he'd only get 15 yards before someone caught up w/ him. Even so, only his CARRY needs to drop. I'm pretty sure his carry already stinks...but can you think of anyone else to put on the down list after this gam

actuallly that was benny sapp who stopped chaseing on that huge rodgers scramble if anything hes the only one doin good right now along wit asher benny is ok n paymah is horrible they juss need to fix his speed n lower awareness to like 15 ... also ray edwards should be at least a 78 and greenway def needs a boost along wit percy our O-LINE!!!!!! def bret favre jersey prolly dnt even need cleaning for the next game. and y isnt bret favre a 90 0r even higher?

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cem_ea_id.datdudehurgues wrote:

actuallly that was benny sapp who stopped chaseing on that huge rodgers scramble if anything hes the only one doin good right now along wit asher benny is ok n paymah is horrible they juss need to fix his speed n lower awareness to like 15 ... also ray edwards should be at least a 78 and greenway def needs a boost along wit percy our O-LINE!!!!!! def bret favre jersey prolly dnt even need cleaning for the next game. and y isnt bret favre a 90 0r even higher?

actually, it WAS Griffen. Look at the bottom of the screen and keep an eye out for #23. He slows down and jogs towards Rodgers when Rodgers just passes the First Down marker (46 yard line), and then when he notices Rodgers isn't out of bounds...he begins to run again. (The first thing ALL Coaches tell you is to keep running and go full speed until the whistle blows...apparently a whistle must have been blowing in Griffens head). Had he kept on running full speed, he could have gotten to Rodgers at the 30 yard line...at least. You can even see him look back and think, GEEZZ I thought he was gonna be out at the 40 yard line.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d813e433e/Aaron-Rodgers-Highlight-WK-08-vs-Vikings-2009

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xbox.ubiquinon wrote:

cem_ea_id.datdudehurgues wrote:

actuallly that was benny sapp who stopped chaseing on that huge rodgers scramble if anything hes the only one doin good right now along wit asher benny is ok n paymah is horrible they juss need to fix his speed n lower awareness to like 15 ... also ray edwards should be at least a 78 and greenway def needs a boost along wit percy our O-LINE!!!!!! def bret favre jersey prolly dnt even need cleaning for the next game. and y isnt bret favre a 90 0r even higher?

actually, it WAS Griffen. Look at the bottom of the screen and keep an eye out for #23. He slows down and jogs towards Rodgers when Rodgers just passes the First Down marker (46 yard line), and then when he notices Rodgers isn't out of bounds...he begins to run again. (The first thing ALL Coaches tell you is to keep running and go full speed until the whistle blows...apparently a whistle must have been blowing in Griffens head). Had he kept on running full speed, he could have gotten to Rodgers at the 30 yard line...at least. You can even see him look back and think, GEEZZ I thought he was gonna be out at the 40 yard line.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d813e433e/Aaron-Rodgers-Highlight-WK-08-vs-Vikings-2009

yup, Griffen sucks. The guy is one of the better tackling corners, but I'd rather have a guy who can actually cover. I'd like to see Griffen move to safety and have Benny Sapp play some #2 CB next to Winfield. And we let go of McCauley or w/e his name was for Paymeh? wtf?

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/5651

Dangerous Player: Percy Harvin, Vikings WR

November 4, 2009 1:00 PM

» NFC: D. Jackson (PHI) | S. Jackson (STL) | P. Harvin (MIN) | D. Williams (CAR)
» AFC: R. Brown (MIA) | D. Sproles (SD) | J. Cribbs (CLE) | C. Johnson (TEN)

Posted by ESPN.com’s Kevin Seifert

A look at the players opposing teams hate to see with the ball in their hands in the open field. (Part of a larger ESPN.com project.)

Percy Harvin had just turned 21 when he arrived at Minnesota’s training camp this summer. He played only three years of college football at Florida, but Vikings coaches had no qualms about handing him the fullest plate imaginable for a rookie receiver.
Scott Boehm/Getty Images
Rookie Percy Harvin (12) has proven to be Brett Favre’s go-to guy on third down.

Harvin was handed duties as a kickoff returner. He was told to learn all three receiver positions, given a role as a spread-style tailback and also became the Vikings’ primary Wildcat quarterback. Harvin never blinked, however, and his diverse talent has made him one of the top new playmakers in the NFL.

He’s the NFL’s leading kickoff returner with a 30.7-yard average, including two touchdowns. He’s also caught three touchdown passes from new quarterback Brett Favre and ranks second among Vikings receivers with 28 receptions.

Overall, Harvin is averaging 158.5 all-purpose yards per game.

“He can get up to speed,” coach Brad Childress said. “He runs with a running back mentality. He’s got 'A' instincts. ... He’s developed a great relationship with Brett. He’s learned this offense, and what he can do, and the flexibility that he has.”

From the first day Harvin stepped on the Vikings’ practice field, he demonstrated the speed and upfield mentality that makes him a scoring threat every time he touches the ball. But in watching the Vikings play this year, one development has stood out to me: Harvin has become Favre’s most trusted receiver on third down.

Harvin ranks first on the Vikings, and No. 4 overall in the NFL, with 15 receptions on third down. He’s converted 13 of them (87 percent) into first downs. He’s put himself in that position at 21 years and six months.

Imagine what he will do at 22.

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cem_ea_id.lb316vikings wrote:

xbox.ubiquinon wrote:

cem_ea_id.datdudehurgues wrote:

actuallly that was benny sapp who stopped chaseing on that huge rodgers scramble if anything hes the only one doin good right now along wit asher benny is ok n paymah is horrible they juss need to fix his speed n lower awareness to like 15 ... also ray edwards should be at least a 78 and greenway def needs a boost along wit percy our O-LINE!!!!!! def bret favre jersey prolly dnt even need cleaning for the next game. and y isnt bret favre a 90 0r even higher?

actually, it WAS Griffen. Look at the bottom of the screen and keep an eye out for #23. He slows down and jogs towards Rodgers when Rodgers just passes the First Down marker (46 yard line), and then when he notices Rodgers isn't out of bounds...he begins to run again. (The first thing ALL Coaches tell you is to keep running and go full speed until the whistle blows...apparently a whistle must have been blowing in Griffens head). Had he kept on running full speed, he could have gotten to Rodgers at the 30 yard line...at least. You can even see him look back and think, GEEZZ I thought he was gonna be out at the 40 yard line.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d813e433e/Aaron-Rodgers-Highlight-WK-08-vs-Vikings-2009

yup, Griffen sucks. The guy is one of the better tackling corners, but I'd rather have a guy who can actually cover. I'd like to see Griffen move to safety and have Benny Sapp play some #2 CB next to Winfield. And we let go of McCauley or w/e his name was for Paymeh? wtf?

You guys exaggerate WAY too much. Griffen does not "suck", he is not "bad", he is not "great", he is solid/decent/above avg.

And lol at acting like that play was Griffen's fault. Yes, he did start slowing up which was bad of him, but it was Sapp who took a bad angle at Rogers. Had he taken the correct angle that would have been the end of it.

C'mon guys, lets stop exaggerating here.

xbox.bigten08 wrote:

cem_ea_id.lb316vikings wrote:

xbox.ubiquinon wrote:

cem_ea_id.datdudehurgues wrote:

actuallly that was benny sapp who stopped chaseing on that huge rodgers scramble if anything hes the only one doin good right now along wit asher benny is ok n paymah is horrible they juss need to fix his speed n lower awareness to like 15 ... also ray edwards should be at least a 78 and greenway def needs a boost along wit percy our O-LINE!!!!!! def bret favre jersey prolly dnt even need cleaning for the next game. and y isnt bret favre a 90 0r even higher?

actually, it WAS Griffen. Look at the bottom of the screen and keep an eye out for #23. He slows down and jogs towards Rodgers when Rodgers just passes the First Down marker (46 yard line), and then when he notices Rodgers isn't out of bounds...he begins to run again. (The first thing ALL Coaches tell you is to keep running and go full speed until the whistle blows...apparently a whistle must have been blowing in Griffens head). Had he kept on running full speed, he could have gotten to Rodgers at the 30 yard line...at least. You can even see him look back and think, GEEZZ I thought he was gonna be out at the 40 yard line.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d813e433e/Aaron-Rodgers-Highlight-WK-08-vs-Vikings-2009

yup, Griffen sucks. The guy is one of the better tackling corners, but I'd rather have a guy who can actually cover. I'd like to see Griffen move to safety and have Benny Sapp play some #2 CB next to Winfield. And we let go of McCauley or w/e his name was for Paymeh? wtf?

You guys exaggerate WAY too much. Griffen does not "suck", he is not "bad", he is not "great", he is solid/decent/above avg.

And lol at acting like that play was Griffen's fault. Yes, he did start slowing up which was bad of him, but it was Sapp who took a bad angle at Rogers. Had he taken the correct angle that would have been the end of it.

C'mon guys, lets stop exaggerating here.

that play is a perfect example of why it is ruining the game to baby the QBs so much.

Griffin and sapp assumed rodgers was going to run out of bounds, so they let up

rodgers noticed this and decided not to run out of bounds and cut up the sideline

if they had both kept going full speed, rodgers would have stepped out a split second before the hit and drawn a late hit flag because he is a QB, and you cant tackle QB's anymore

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exaggerating? I've been telling you guys all year that this guy is overrated (and I've been pointing out EVERY game the # of catches he's allowed and the big plays he's let up---and these are not plays that are attributed to the safeties. These are specific plays that GRIFFEN's WR beats him on). This guy receives way more help than winfield and yet he lets up all these catches.

Like I've said, he's above AVG at tackling but well below AVG in cover skills (in reality, benny sapp is a better coverage man. Guys like Vontae Davis are better. Dry Bly is even better. ...and the list goes on). This guy is only starting for the Vikings at #2 CB b/c of his tackling skills. There's a reason he plays on the left side (even when Winfield is hurt), it's b/c he can't cover #1's and b/c Benny Sapp has better Coverage skills to deal w/ #1's than Griffen (note: it's not b/c Griffen is more comfortable playing the left side).

ps: I could really care less about Sapp's open field tackling or lack there of. If he takes a bad angle every now and then, i don't care too much about that. If a QB scrambles out like that, then w/e...he beat our D-line. We have the Williams wall and Allen which frees up our LB's to take on any RB. I don't expect our CB's to make plays against the run...and when they do, great.

BUT WHAT I am MOST concerned about, is the pass Defense. It's ALWAYS been a weakness of the vikings and putting a man out there who can cover w/ below avg tackling is more important (I think) than a guy who has above avg tackling skills w/ below avg coverage skills, especially since going deep into the playoffs we'll be facing Brees, eli, kurt, etc and possibly in the SB Peyton, Brady, or Ben. And WHEN we play against THOSE guys, they'll be looking RIGHT AT GRIFFEN all day. OUR run defense is STOUT and we don't need help from our CB's to stop the run. We need CB's that can cover.

There's a reason why we've been #1 in run defense all these years, but one of the worst in pass defense...which also resulted in us losing to the Eagles in the playoffs.

xbox.ubiquinon wrote:

There's a reason why we've been #1 in run defense all these years, but one of the worst in pass defense...which also resulted in us losing to the Eagles in the playoffs.

Griffin actually had a pretty good game against the Eagles in the playoffs. I'm pretty sure he picked off McNabb before halftime to stop an Eagles' drive that could've put points on the board. I think all Griffin needs to do is get more press coverage calls. He's best when he can jam a reciever at the line. He showed it at the middle-to-end of last season, and I'm surprised they aren't trying it more this season.

xbox.bigten08 wrote:

cem_ea_id.lb316vikings wrote:

xbox.ubiquinon wrote:

cem_ea_id.datdudehurgues wrote:

actuallly that was benny sapp who stopped chaseing on that huge rodgers scramble if anything hes the only one doin good right now along wit asher benny is ok n paymah is horrible they juss need to fix his speed n lower awareness to like 15 ... also ray edwards should be at least a 78 and greenway def needs a boost along wit percy our O-LINE!!!!!! def bret favre jersey prolly dnt even need cleaning for the next game. and y isnt bret favre a 90 0r even higher?

actually, it WAS Griffen. Look at the bottom of the screen and keep an eye out for #23. He slows down and jogs towards Rodgers when Rodgers just passes the First Down marker (46 yard line), and then when he notices Rodgers isn't out of bounds...he begins to run again. (The first thing ALL Coaches tell you is to keep running and go full speed until the whistle blows...apparently a whistle must have been blowing in Griffens head). Had he kept on running full speed, he could have gotten to Rodgers at the 30 yard line...at least. You can even see him look back and think, GEEZZ I thought he was gonna be out at the 40 yard line.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d813e433e/Aaron-Rodgers-Highlight-WK-08-vs-Vikings-2009

yup, Griffen sucks. The guy is one of the better tackling corners, but I'd rather have a guy who can actually cover. I'd like to see Griffen move to safety and have Benny Sapp play some #2 CB next to Winfield. And we let go of McCauley or w/e his name was for Paymeh? wtf?

You guys exaggerate WAY too much. Griffen does not "suck", he is not "bad", he is not "great", he is solid/decent/above avg.

And lol at acting like that play was Griffen's fault. Yes, he did start slowing up which was bad of him, but it was Sapp who took a bad angle at Rogers. Had he taken the correct angle that would have been the end of it.

C'mon guys, lets stop exaggerating here.

What you all fail to see... or at least post on is that at 9 seconds their right tackle is blaitently holding and allows rogers to escape... just like 70% of the other plays... in that game... and a crap load in the Steelers game were from the same crap...

Our pass defense gets burned because the cover 2 is a Zone, and like any zone it has holes... the longer you give a QB the more chance he will find the holes.. the better the QB is the easier it is for him to find the holes.. i.e. Rogers. So when all of the attention is on Allen, Edwards or whoever else is in there is getting held. Watch some of the replays and you will see some obvious non-calls. I know they get physical, but you can definatly see Holds.

ps3.SkolVikesAllDay wrote:

xbox.bigten08 wrote:

cem_ea_id.lb316vikings wrote:

xbox.ubiquinon wrote:

cem_ea_id.datdudehurgues wrote:

actuallly that was benny sapp who stopped chaseing on that huge rodgers scramble if anything hes the only one doin good right now along wit asher benny is ok n paymah is horrible they juss need to fix his speed n lower awareness to like 15 ... also ray edwards should be at least a 78 and greenway def needs a boost along wit percy our O-LINE!!!!!! def bret favre jersey prolly dnt even need cleaning for the next game. and y isnt bret favre a 90 0r even higher?

actually, it WAS Griffen. Look at the bottom of the screen and keep an eye out for #23. He slows down and jogs towards Rodgers when Rodgers just passes the First Down marker (46 yard line), and then when he notices Rodgers isn't out of bounds...he begins to run again. (The first thing ALL Coaches tell you is to keep running and go full speed until the whistle blows...apparently a whistle must have been blowing in Griffens head). Had he kept on running full speed, he could have gotten to Rodgers at the 30 yard line...at least. You can even see him look back and think, GEEZZ I thought he was gonna be out at the 40 yard line.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d813e433e/Aaron-Rodgers-Highlight-WK-08-vs-Vikings-2009

yup, Griffen sucks. The guy is one of the better tackling corners, but I'd rather have a guy who can actually cover. I'd like to see Griffen move to safety and have Benny Sapp play some #2 CB next to Winfield. And we let go of McCauley or w/e his name was for Paymeh? wtf?

You guys exaggerate WAY too much. Griffen does not "suck", he is not "bad", he is not "great", he is solid/decent/above avg.

And lol at acting like that play was Griffen's fault. Yes, he did start slowing up which was bad of him, but it was Sapp who took a bad angle at Rogers. Had he taken the correct angle that would have been the end of it.

C'mon guys, lets stop exaggerating here.

that play is a perfect example of why it is ruining the game to baby the QBs so much.

Griffin and sapp assumed rodgers was going to run out of bounds, so they let up

rodgers noticed this and decided not to run out of bounds and cut up the sideline

if they had both kept going full speed, rodgers would have stepped out a split second before the hit and drawn a late hit flag because he is a QB, and you cant tackle QB's anymore

Here is a good example of Griffen in man coverage getting beat off the line cause he misses his Jam, but if you notice he gets back up and ends up making the tackle down the feild.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d813b64f3/Ben-Roethlisberger-Highlight-WK-07-vs-Vikings-2009

Why are we focusing all our energy on hating on Ceddy. Hes an AVERAGE corner. Leave him alone. Theres a reason he isn't #1, and lets be honest how many QB's outside of #1s are actually any good anyway? Very few. #2 thru #4 in some cases 5 are average thru below average. Its why they don't D the best WR, and the D the 2nd WR who is in most cases, AVERAGE. Cedric is AVERAGE, nothing more needs to be said.

But I will say this, we should expect our Pass D to drop down to one bar, and that wouldn't shock me. It wouldn't shock me to see our Run D bars drop back down too, seeing as our stranglehold of Run D isnt there anymore. I think theres 2-3 teams who are better then vikings. Too lazy to look it up, but whatever.

Anyway, basis of this post...stop killing ced whos average.

Worry about more important stuff.

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yup....that's our Cedric Griffen. Can't stop his man from making the catch, but he can tackle him when HIS WR makes the catch.

Griffen = AVG? b/s. Vontae Davis. Dre Bly. even benny sapp are AVG coverage CB's. (you could go down the list of CB's on other teams who cover better than Griffen and there's a #2 or #3 CB who's better on EVERY team AND those guys aren't playing opposite of WINFIELD).

Griffen, he's not an AVG CB. Above AVG tackler and below AVG Coverage (that's a safety). He's not an 80 CB (maybe a 77-78 CB). He's probably an 80 safety if not better. In fact, I probably wouldn't have a problem w/ Griffen staying at an 80 if they moved down his CVG skills and boosted up his strength, tackle, pursuit, and all the run stopping stats (that "would be" Cedric Griffen).

But you know what? Keep thinking he's an AVG CVG CB and when we make the playoffs and Griffen is getting torched by the likes of Brees, Eli, Kurt, etc. don't be complaining that Griffen can't cover....don't be thinking, why can't he cover all the sudden? (Being a vikings fan, I hope he can cover and turn it around....but being realistic, the guy has never been a decent CVG CB.)

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