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Joined: 08/30/2011 11:51:40
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I am tired of outboxing spammers only to be dropped and stopped by lucky right hands from guys who throw little else.

No boxer in history has ever thrown more straight right hands than jabs during the course of a fight. Yet spammers can often steal a fight they don't deserve to win by doing just that.

If someone is throwing the same punch all the time there must be a way for EA to patch it so that the repeated punch has little or no effect.

Is it possible to make a patch that nullifies the effect of overly repeated punches? (except for the jab, obviously.)

Guys who throw almost nothing except for straight right power shots are ruining the online experience.

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Joined: 11/02/2011 07:01:01
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DKDiddley wrote:I am tired of outboxing spammers only to be dropped and stopped by lucky right hands from guys who throw little else.

No boxer in history has ever thrown more straight right hands than jabs during the course of a fight. Yet spammers can often steal a fight they don't deserve to win by doing just that.

If someone is throwing the same punch all the time there must be a way for EA to patch it so that the repeated punch has little or no effect.

Is it possible to make a patch that nullifies the effect of overly repeated punches? (except for the jab, obviously.)

Guys who throw almost nothing except for straight right power shots are ruining the online experience.



i agree but my jab is my right hand



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Joined: 07/25/2010 06:56:45
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Bro.. just pick fighters with better head movement or max out your head movement if you're playing OWC. I can show you in a video if you like (my youtube channel = gameathlete). I'm a real boxer myself..the first drill that they taught me was the slip drill. You've got to learn to move your head. If you'd like to play vs. me and try to spam me with you're right hand i'll be happy to shwow you how to stop it.. Alot of ppl critizise the game but there's a reason this game was sports game of the year... The game is pretty darn balanced. You can neutralize power and speed just like you can in real life.. You've just got to master the timing that it takes to nutralize your opponents speed and power. What you do vs. a one hand spammer depends on the type of figher that you have. If you've got a guy with a good hook or a good straight then your whole objective is to slip those repetitive right hands while trying to time a clean punch with whatever our strongest punch is.. Tony Atlas says it in the commentry of the game that you can't win by just comign out and swinging liek a mad hatter. In real life boxers love aggresive brawlers because they are easy to counter... Lets spar and maybe I can help you out..

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Joined: 05/06/2012 16:21:43
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[quote=SportsGamer2010]Bro.. just pick fighters with better head movement or max out your head movement if you're playing OWC. I can show you in a video if you like (my youtube channel = gameathlete). I'm a real boxer myself..the first drill that they taught me was the slip drill. You've got to learn to move your head. If you'd like to play vs. me and try to spam me with you're right hand i'll be happy to shwow you how to stop it.. Alot of ppl critizise the game but there's a reason this game was sports game of the year... The game is pretty darn balanced. You can neutralize power and speed just like you can in real life.. You've just got to master the timing that it takes to nutralize your opponents speed and power. What you do vs. a one hand spammer depends on the type of figher that you have. If you've got a guy with a good hook or a good straight then your whole objective is to slip those repetitive right hands while trying to time a clean punch with whatever our strongest punch is.. Tony Atlas says it in the commentry of the game that you can't win by just comign out and swinging liek a mad hatter. In real life boxers love aggresive brawlers because they are easy to counter... Lets spar and maybe I can help you out..[/quote]

You clearly haven't attempted to fight for a HW belt. 6'8 88" 99str power right spammers do this and only this. Stationary power right to the body (drops your guard and stops your movement), lunging power right hand up top. You can not get out of the way of this, can't slip, duck, lean....nothing.

if you would like me to demonstrate let me know.




Joined: 08/10/2011 13:46:59
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Those 6'8 88in reach straight spammers are easy, just sidestep and counter to the body. Since they are slow in the head they don't understand what is going on and the get gassed by the 5th round. Staying away is good too, the more you make them miss the more stamina they lose.




Joined: 06/28/2012 17:14:13
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I've played over 1000 online matches, raised about 8 fighters from scratch to max build without a tuner set, and I'll say this is definitely a major problem.

The problem isn't that outside fighters are using a straight or one two strategy. The problem is that the power straight is so effective and accurate when fighting inside, chest to chest. It's accurate and effective while dodging and side stepping. It's accurate and effective at the very edge of range, where the only thing to touch you is the glove's padding, and not the fist behind.

Some players, who specialise in this spam have like a heat seeking missile effect. Even worse, I dodge left, or right, doesn't matter. He will appear to completely miss, or hardly skim me and boom, out.

My latest build has 20 for both left and right hooks. I can hit him with three of these for every tight inside straight I take, and guess which one of us is insta-stunned or on the floor? Worse is that the speed of that one hand somehow exceeds the left-right-left of either hooks or uppercuts. Sometimes I can't tell the difference between the jab and the straight.

The first month the game was out, I had an 80% win average. It's since fallen to 60%. Some is good, honest competition. Most of that difference is either this one single spam, or no-penalty plug-pullers.




Joined: 01/24/2012 12:55:05
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My tactic:

1.Wait for their stamina to go down

2. Weave under their reach

3. Power Upper-cut/Hook

4. Knock them spark-out

5. ???

6. PROFIT!!!




Joined: 06/28/2012 17:39:54
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Sure there's lot here that will work against many spammers. How are you going to wear down their stamina though, when they are happy throwing 10-20 punches per round? Even walking dead in to the shots blocking, using weave to get in can't get you there fast enough. You opponent will be able to hit you while just leaning his head back while you are unable to hit him. There's a bug where head movement makes body shots pass right through you, adn another where you can side step in to a hook, and it might even move your head but it doesn't hit you.. These spammers will use that and block spam, and you cannot hit more than 20%.

I just came off a fight where I hit 71% of 157 shots in 3 rounds.
head shots =82
body = 75
counters =31
power =18/26 69%

my punches are more or less evenly distributed

opponent:
34/95 -35%

Straight 22/66
Power 16/59 -27%
counter 2/6 33%
3 hooks
1 uppercut
8 jabs
0 body punches


Despite throwing almost 8X as many punches, I had 100% stamina. I know he did not. 3 flash knockdowns against me in the first two rounds and an instant ko in the third. These were neither counters of any sort nor was I tired or moving in to them. This means he is getting a flash 1 in 5 punches.

I really am very good at the game. I like to pretend that it's boxing when I play it, though, and use a realistic style. I've gone to round 12 with most of the world champs. I use Tyson to beat Frost, and Holyfield to beat Tyson in H2H. It's not that I am making an sort of mistake, and stats show.

Everyone saying 'jsut do this or do that' isn't helping the problem, which is really on the developer's end. I've seen people throwing non-stop straights at 22% accuracy and keep full stamina and get flashes and instants.

I had one fight against a straight spammer where I landed 71 counter punches to 1. Literally, 71-1 for counters, and we're not talking jabs, as well as an almost 50% accuracy gap. He still got 9th round instant ko after 4 flashes through the fight.

So you guys can say it all works and just move your head or get wait for their stamina to go down, and you're just getting in the way of improvement on a concept EA really needs to absorb before the next game comes out.

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Joined: 12/20/2008 12:26:52
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I think the problem with OWC is that a 20 rated Straight is just as powerful as a 20 rated hook or uppercut but it's more accurate, faster and uses less stamina. That means that a straight is a better punch in all ways. 20 rated UC and Hooks should be stronger than 20 rated straights.





Joined: 06/28/2012 17:39:54
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Well, I'll give an example of the fight I just had, and why the duck/weave/counter just doesn't work.

Currently Canadian LW champion, held each national belt dozens of times, several times world champ.

3 round fight.

Me 58/102 56%, 7/9 counters, mixed punches. Equal head and body

Him. 45/235 19%
Straights 28/207 13%
0/1 counters
All head shots

3rd round instant knockout.

13% accuracy for him excluding his 28 jabs.

Judges cards? Round 1 (10% acc) and 2 (15% acc) for him. Round 3 KO.

I watched this guy punch air non stop for 3 rounds, and still get the instant KO. Tire him out? he threw 250% more punches while constantly running backwards.

Can you dodge/weave block and move for better than 13% accuracy? No. Doesn't happen. In fact, I didn't have to. I didn't step. He just threw and threw that straight if I was within half the ring of him. From 10 feet away he threw and didn't stop.

Don't come on here and act like that isn't a big issue that we're just too noob to counter. It's absolutely broken.

EA releases titles meant primarily for online play, and then doesn't support the player. EA, you are losing millions in sales over your titles for these and other (intentional disconnect, cause opponent loss) issues, all to save a few hours of debugging. It's no wonder we don't have another Fight Night title to look forward to; you're losing your fans.


I had a similar fight where I landed 71 counters to 1 at roughly a 25% accuracy for him and 60% for me. That fight ended in an 8th round instant KO on me too, after 4 flash knockdowns.

This isn't a massive world full of intricate details. this is two guys in a ring. You'd think there could be some effort put in to the details.

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Joined: 12/16/2013 15:23:38
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You are completely right about the straight right. I have played over 5000 fights and in the end, ive learned that when you take a good player and do nothing but time right hand counters and power shots its very overpowered. It needs to be patched. If I did it myself I would win even more often than I do. It's not really straight SPAM that works. Its when u have a good player who times straights the whole fight and does not much else that is very overpowered. Its an unbalanced aspect of the game and needs to be balanced. I won't ever resort to doing it myself, and I will lose to the best guys out there who do it all the time. It should be a boxing game, not a right hand timing game. FIX IT EA




Joined: 03/07/2014 09:21:56
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Hello guys, nice to finally being able to discuss the one video game I love so much with fellow gamers. Yes, I'm new to the forum but has been a loyal player of Fight Night from the very beginning. I did not know that winning fights by doing a certain technique over and over is to be considered cheating. That's why my name is The Best Spammer, that's exactly how I've been playing it. Ironically. Why boxing fans love boxing?. If opponents' can't stop Pacquiao from throwing his classic one-two combo, is it spamming?. When Hatton pounded his opponent's body into submission, is it spamming?. Remember when Cotto smash on Margarito all night, and suddenly the table turned on him in the later round leaving him cut and bloody?. How about when Shane Mosley beat Oscar De La Hoya, and later was caught with steroids?. What I'm saying guys, is that that's boxing, anything goes, what-ever happened . . . happened. You deal with it best you can while in the ring, win or lose, we live and we learn, we play and we learn. There's a lot of strategies to get around those kind of players, and if you beat them but they're just boring to play against, think of them as a stepping stone on your record. Although, when someone is losing the fight and disconnect on you but you received a lost on your record, its just another Bradley and Paquiao thing. Rub it all off, the world is not against you. It is not your fault, it is not your fault. LOL
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