I will not be renewing unless heck freezes over and we get some features.

cem_ea_id.DUNKLBJ wrote:

cem_ea_id.Basherz wrote:And that is the trouble I think Dunk, that whilst all the moans and groans here, some valid, and some pure crap, most of these are put in such a negative way that EA are now giving the appearance to have forgotten this forum. I rarely come here now either.

No appearance about it, basherz.
EA is simply ignoring their customers here in TWO.
Everybody has a right to complain or praise a product they purchased.
They all have the right to be negative or positive.
Good customer service and support acknowledges both. They need to stand behind their product. That is good business.
I have been to other EA game forums and believe me they get just as much negative and positive feedback as they do here. Visit a couple and you will see.
But, the more EA ignores it's customers here, the more negative post you will see. It's very hard to be positive about wanting a product to be worth what they paid. About wanting issues resolved. Questions answered. And simple proof that EA does hear everyone. Not just talk, but actually doing something. Not just popping in here now and then and say "we hear you". I agree some comments get carried away. You will have that with any product that the consumer feels is not worth what they paid. I hang in here because I still have hope. Although it is fading. It just might be our last hope for getting another good PC golf game. We don't know what the new John Daly golf will be like. If it at least looks as good as this game and has even a couple features that we are still waiting on for this game, TW Online will have some serious competition. I have always been a TW golf fan. I have owned every copy ever made for the PC. This might be why I am still waiting and hoping things change around here. But, time is running short

Thanks Dunk, that's what I wanted to say, but couldn't get the words down... You my friend are one of the articulate ones..

cem_ea_id.Crusty56 wrote:I've already decided. My subscription doesn't expire until Jul 2011, but I've already quit playing. The game offers nothing but pure boredom.

I've cancelled and have pretty much quit playing too. I haven't been on since before this thread started. I'm playing Shot-Online Golf again. TWO has a better look and feel, but Shot-Online has just about every feature people have been asking for and I think the shot physics are excellent. Shot-Online doesn't have the courses we know and love, and takes more skill to play than TWO, but I think it's more fun overall.

cem_ea_id.DennisHarris wrote:Do not renew all you want. The one known fact is this game is the very last try to make a golf game work for the PC. Be stubborn, protest all you want, truth be told your only hurting our chances of having a viable golf game for the PC. I'm 100% a golf sim kinda guy and I dislike the arcade approach EA is taking with this game. I just don't complain about I participate in the game despite the arcade approach EA is taking.

You can have a golf sim via TWO, and all it takes is a little extra effort. We can remove previews, we can remove grid, we can use expert aim, remove handicaps, remove putt previews and have real 1 submission tournaments in group play and via tbmp. Sure using tbmp we get a few disconnects, freezes, and other glitches. But tbmp is more reliable today than it was 3 weeks ago.

Our group admin has taken the bull by the horns and runs a tbmp only tournament off site that has 80 members and it is growing. We usually have a new tournament every 7 to 10 days depending on the tournament mode of play. So it is pretty easy to run group tounament, off site, and use TWO's turnbase multiplayer to conduct said tournaments. We score matchplay manually of course, have found voice chat and that helps everyone coordinate tourneys or funner games. All the resources we needed have come from within our group. We just tap into the various skill sets our members have. All on a voluntary basis of course. It is amazing what talents you will discover in your group.

So a more sim style game is being done right now and from what TWO offers today. So end the boycotts and complaining and join the fun. I'm having a ball.

But this is the problem isn't it. I mean they feel they have us over a barrel either pay for this game which a few like but by reading most of the replies here most don't.

I beta tested since beta 2 and played regularly and added feedback and posts about how many of us wanted a more sim game. It was frustrating to post repeatedly the game bugs, things you wanted in the game, and things that needed improving, only to get the rubber stamp answer "we are working on it and it will come later." From what I have seen or heard since stop playing shortly after release is its basically the same ol same ol.No wait I am wrong about that they added things like magic hats and jpegs of "prestige items you could buy. Man there's a vast improvement making it so much more like a real golf game . Why continue to put your money (personally I refused to spend a dime of my hard earned cash into it) because of"if we don't support it we will have nothing" banter. Man that is exactly what EA wants. "cmon folks step right up give us your money we won't fix or change things but hey if you don't you got nothing."(Que bad guy music).
If people do not subscribe or renew maybe they will get the message that we refuse to play their game and oh oh they maybe out of a job. But again it's your choice keep paying them for this or don't.
I applaud your efforts to work around the situation by holding your own tournaments and setting up your own difficulty levels(well at least as much as this game allows) but isn't that what you payed for in the first place? Or at least the promise of it will be added in the future? Guess what Ea the future is now and if you tow the line of "give us more time it will be added down the road" much longer I think your going to find that road is a dead end.

Well said Sir Putterman. I like you have been playing real sim golf for many many years and we got spoiled of sorts. I to did the beta testing and paid for promises and canceled shortly after wards. Yeah I lost 60 bucks to the promises of it will get better. But it just never did. Once again EA just wants the money and doesn't care about the fixes.

NO my account will not renew after it runs out and I have not played the game in months.


Yes I will continue to post as long as I have an account here, because I paid for the game just like the rest, therefore we still have a say. Maybe someone will wake up over at EA and start listening to the real sim players.

cem_ea_id.DennisHarris wrote:Do not renew all you want. The one known fact is this game is the very last try to make a golf game work for the PC. Be stubborn, protest all you want, truth be told your only hurting our chances of having a viable golf game for the PC. I'm 100% a golf sim kinda guy and I dislike the arcade approach EA is taking with this game. I just don't complain about I participate in the game despite the arcade approach EA is taking.

You can have a golf sim via TWO, and all it takes is a little extra effort. We can remove previews, we can remove grid, we can use expert aim, remove handicaps, remove putt previews and have real 1 submission tournaments in group play and via tbmp. Sure using tbmp we get a few disconnects, freezes, and other glitches. But tbmp is more reliable today than it was 3 weeks ago.

Our group admin has taken the bull by the horns and runs a tbmp only tournament off site that has 80 members and it is growing. We usually have a new tournament every 7 to 10 days depending on the tournament mode of play. So it is pretty easy to run group tounament, off site, and use TWO's turnbase multiplayer to conduct said tournaments. We score matchplay manually of course, have found voice chat and that helps everyone coordinate tourneys or funner games. All the resources we needed have come from within our group. We just tap into the various skill sets our members have. All on a voluntary basis of course. It is amazing what talents you will discover in your group.

So a more sim style game is being done right now and from what TWO offers today. So end the boycotts and complaining and join the fun. I'm having a ball.

I am glad that your group and others have found a way to work around the short comings of this game but those things should have already been added to the game.

In the past the community has always found ways to adapt: no CA or Lib creator since 06 and we adapted, pano and water issues in 07, a lack of a custom course installer and we adapted and we found ways to run our own tournaments without the use of the EA servers. EA knows this also and maybe that is what they are counting on, but they have delivered a product with a complete lack of features that limit even what the community is capable of working around. Someone is putting a lot of effort into those groups and I give them a lot of credit but sooner or later they are going to burn out and not enjoy the game any longer. For the cost of this game it should be "IN THE GAME" and it's not. It is taking a lot less effort to keep 08 alive because most of the resources are there within the game or have been adapted to over the past 3 years. That is a great effort your groups are putting in but that is not for me either until there are enough features to allow for those groups to have more control over settings and the ability to create a level playing field.

MAIN.EAcom Golf Tim wrote:

cem_ea_id.maverickspirit wrote:

This will probably be my last post of anything substantive for awhile, at least until the developers provide me a reason to post constructive and informative information. I see no need to pour out my heart and soul about this game any longer, as my vision of what the promise and potential of TWO is, is 100% diametrically opposed to what the vision of EA and/or the developers is about TWO.

A huge thank you to everyone who has been involved in many debates with me these past 18 months, it’s been a blast.

Maverick

This sums up my feelings on the game. I want to like it, but I simply can't in its current state. Have not played this game since July 29 and won't until I see some SIGNIFICANT progress on game fixes and new features that actually represent improved gameplay, not microtransactions to make the game even easier than it is. Like Mav, I thought I knew what the vision for this game was, but as of today, I was completely wrong. I won't be canceling my subscription, but if this game does not take a serious turn towards the kind of features and gameplay we have had with previous TW PC versions and/or a move towards what TW11 for the 360/PS3 offers, then I won't be renewing come April 6, 2011.....

This will be my last post as far as my opinions about the game go for the foreseeable future. I can't see wasting my time asking for features that simply are taking too long to deliver or not even coming. The lack of Dev interaction in the forums lately is disturbing to me considering competition is about a month away. Many of you besides Mav have poured your heart, soul, and valuable time offering constructive feedback on this game and sadly the game has not "evolved" as any of us had hoped it would. For that you are to be commended for your loyalty and I hope one day EA rewards all of us for that loyalty.

Take Care,

Tim

Tim, I left this game quite a while back, it simply isn't what I had been hoping for, arcade games are for kids. I'll continue playing TW08 on PGAX until something better comes along.

NOT RENEW UNTIL THE WIND PHYSICS ARE CORRECTED.I am sick and tired of 12-15 mph winds left to right, or right to left moving a ball 30-40 ft it doesn't happen in the real world/golf game and it shouldnt happen here. I never play a tourney with windy conditions, none with the ridiculous gale force, and few with breezy. EA needs to send there programers to a hign school basics physic course as far as i'm concerned

I know I had said that I was not planning to post anything substantive for awhile or at least until the developers provided me a reason to but, this very interesting article with Peter Moore regarding communications, is just the thing to warrant a post from me, another opportunity if you will to try and get some feedback from the developers. Maybe a final opportunity but an opportunity non the less. Some of you may be asking why I bother. The reason is simple I still think this game has promise, I still think that EA can make it succeed and I want to give them every possible chance to bring me back into the fold and assist them in this endeavor, should this game die, it will not be due a lack of effort on my part.

On the one hand, I can see the TWO developers adhering to this “new and revolutionary” concept of listening to your customers. Many of us have seen evidence of that judging by the interaction of the developers with us in the forums, in on course chat and PM’s over the past 15 months or so.

On the other hand, many of us seem to feel the “listening” is not quite as good as we believe it should be. To many times the developers go long periods of time without listening/communicating with us. I know it’s hard to break old habits and sometimes one inadvertently slips back into “old behaviors” by not communicating and it takes time to make the new and improved communication with your customers work but, the developers have proved they can listen, they can communicate, so it’s not that hard a concept to not keep it going on a consistent basis.

We, the TWO community have proved we can listen to the developers. You can judge that by the number of comments, both positive and negative, we have made to just about each and every post a developer has made. We have also proved we can hear what the developers are saying and asking for. You can judge that by the number of suggestions and bug reports we have submitted., per their requests. Both of which also prove we know how to communicate with the developers.

White the developers have proved they can listen, they have not proven, at least to me, they can communicate effectively and consistently, nor have they proven, to me at least, they are really hearing what we are saying about TWO, judging by the slow progress forward this game has been making and the number of problems and concerns we have continually posted and debated about, as well as the developmental plan they seem to have decided on.

Right now, in my opinion, EA and TWO is at a critical juncture, many people have decreased their game play significantly, if not altogether. The postings and comments in the forums have turned increasingly hostile and negative regarding TWO. In fact, many have significantly decreased their postings or stopped posting entirely. Many have cancelled their subscriptions and just as many are coming to the conclusion that a renewal of their subscription is not in the cards.

In my opinion, this month may be the most important month for TWO. I believe it’s critical for EA, the TWO Online Team and all the developers to make a concerted effort to communicate with us, their customers, show they are listening and prove they our hearing us. They need to take major steps to calm the ever growing tide of negativity and bad impressions many of us have formed about TWO, it’s necessary for the long term viability of TWO.

I’m not going to tell them how or what they need to communicate about to us or what they need to do, to show they are listening and hearing or even what design or development steps would be needed to prove they are moving forward. It’s all in the forums, posted by so many, so many times, all they have to do is read, hear, understand, communicate and act. How they do that it up to them, when they do that is up to them. If they don’t, “put a fork” into TWO, it’s done.

I’m stepping down from my soapbox now. I’m turning the floor over to EA and the developers. I’m curious to see what you do, hear what you have got to say to change my mind about TWO. Eager to once again engage in constructive debate about this game and work together to develop an excellent game rather than debating linguistics and semantics, like the “couldn’t care less” thread or some other totally non game related thread.

I believe this may be your last chance to sway me, to sway others, to change our opinion about TWO, to prove to me and others that we should keep an open mind about this game, to push our negative impressions about this game aside and form new impressions based on your communications and actions over the next several months. That’s a daunting task right now, maybe even a larger task than adding new features and fixing the games problems.

In other words, give me an incentive to continue playing, continue posting constructive comments, continue submitting bug reports. You know I want to but, you also know I need a reason to.

Maverick

Mav........... just FYI.. that interview was published the same month that TWO was released................

Great post. I too believe this game has reached a critical juncture. Players are bored with stroke play and screaming for new game play features. If they don't provide members with some hope for the future of the game, they might as well pull the plug. I'm down to 1-2 rounds per day now and doubt I will be playing much at all next month if things stay the same.

lol yah Otto's right that interview was from the release of the game. The thing I love is that it sounded so sincere too. Ahh well as my mom use to tell me about politician's speeches "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with bull****" and that my friends is a prime example of what that interview was 100% pure bs. No my friends the proof is in the pudding so to speak they have showed numerous times that this is not going to be a sim game. Let's observe a moment of silence, play taps whatever. The body is dead and starting to stink up the joint. Bury it and move on or stay here in the Twilight Zone. Kinda reminds me of some lyrics from Hotel California "Last thing I remember, I was
Running for the door
I had to find the passage back
To the place I was before
'Relax,' said the night man,
'We are programmed to receive.
You can check-out any time you like,
But you can never leave!"

It's check out time guys and gals are you staying at the Hotel California?

Maybe I should have looked at the date of the article however, it seems just as appropriate today as it did then, maybe more so considering the silence of the developers lately and the state of the game we currently have.

Who knows maybe my Don Quixote like quest for comments from the developers is an impossible dream. Fighting the silence of the developers an unbeatable foe.

We shall see this week if the developers pick up the gauntlet of the challenge for communications with us, decide to take on their own quest to stem the rising tide of negativity and discontentment so many of us feel.

Should they pick up the gauntlet, who knows maybe they will get me and others back, chasing our holy grail, an excellent golfing game. Should they decide the gauntlet is to challenging for them, I guess my bubble has burst, the grail is unattainable, I’ll wake up from my fantasy dream world of TW golf , finding myself banging my head against the wall and realize it’s true…you can’t fight city hall.”

Maverick

This is the trouble. The very obvious and sudden shut-down of any communication by EA is admittedly strange to say the least, although in some cases I wouldn't blame them.

I guess we can only sit here and hope ....

I consider myself a Senior member of the Gaming community. I have been playing computer games since 1982 when I bought my first COCO and started playing text games loaded into the computer from cassette tape, and designing and writing programs in basic. Hoping that a power bump didn't happen before your next save. So If I find a game I like I don't mind paying to play it. I know these things don't run themselves and I appreciate what is in the background.

I've been playing TWO for just over 5 weeks now. I purchased an annual membership after playing free-play for a few days. After 1 week I had purchased all the best gear (with the points received with the membership), In 3 weeks I had maxed out all my Stats in training and in just over 5 weeks I have achieved Legend level of 50. I have over $2.5 million in game money left after purchasing everything in the pro shop that can be purchased with game cash accept some of the fake businesses that earn me no money and other Prestige assets that give me no satisfaction. I might be a bit differant if the Businesses actually returned a profit, the Philanthropy returned some XP or the Personal attributes helped your swing because you felt more relaxed or some such but they too are fake. Just something to waste our fake money on.

I find it odd that buying a better golf ball can give me 15% better Accuracy 10% better power 5% better workability but it makes no difference to my game at all if I'm wearing flip-flops instead of good solid golf shoes. Which is rather strange because I could swear when I switched from runnings shoes to golf shoes, way back when, my real world golfing did indeed get better. Especially in those early morning rounds when the dew was heavy on the fairways or on those awkward side-hill stances on the edge of a water hazard or sand feature.

In this 5 weeks there has been 1 patch that made a noticeable and long overdue improvement to the way the game ran, not an improvement to the game itself.

The Putt For Dough has been changed to a "Click and Get" and what you get 99% of the time is "1 X Shot Review". WhooPee you're really giving the store away with prizes like that. Really makes me want to rush to the home page and play "Click and Get" just as soon as I get off the links to see what incredible gift I can win this time!! Can you just feel the sarcasm oozing off that last sentence.

After only 5 weeks I have maxed out everything accept Course Mastery on some of the courses and a couple of them are not even enjoyable to play.

I still enjoy playing the game but I don't know that I will continue playing the same courses over and over for another 10 months without it getting old.

Turn based rounds with friends is a good option that could be improved by adding verbal communication between the twosome/threesome/foursome. I guess if one of use were to get a Ventrillo account we could improve the game ourselves but would be even better as a game option.

Bringing out Course Architect and giving me the opportunity to design courses would definitely keep me going for several months but I understand this has been in discussion for a long time with nothing delivered yet!

I think the ONE thing that could drive me away from the game faster than all other items combined is the never ending stream of banter in chat from people who love to whine, *, complain, put down others, put down the game and have not one thing nice to say about anything. My guess is that these sniveling little snots likely don't even pay to play the game. If a person pays to play the game he has a right and a responsibility to bring to AEs attention any shortcomings of the game and program, but in a constructive method that may see some improvement. Through sending in Bug Reports or by taking part in Forums. Not by constantly shooting your mouth off in game chat.

I still have over 10 months left in my 1 year membership and at this time I don't see myself renewing but my year is still young yet.

Thanks for starting this discussion "Fog". Hope to play another round with you soon.

Kudos to EA for what they have created, but a game like this needs to be a living growing entity. Don't drop the ball. Nurture it and get it growing.

Roger_Steele