I originally thought Pro-passing was a bad idea but looking at that video it doesn't look too bad. I think EA should leave it as it is. If they make pro passing have too large of an effect then the game will become too difficult in terms of attack.

Thats what the game needs. As it stands its to easy to build attacks. The learning curve is nowhere neat steep enough. The game should be a challenge which requires practice. That way when u do build successful attacks it will feel a so much more rewarding!!

If Pro Passing isnt too have a to large effect on the game then why have EA pushed it so much as a new feature for Fifa 11. Surely this is something new which is supposed to have a major effect on this years game. At the moment it looks like it hasnt changed too much from Fifa 10. As people have mentioned it may have a much bigger effect on the accuracy of first time passes but thats not enough. First time passes should not only be the one's that have contextual error.

ps3.meelhouse wrote:people who make these videos, have they ever played real football?! stupid clips ever.

Why u mad tho?

Maybe you're right - but we should find out. They've implemented a live patching system - so they CAN change this without a huge cost (like that off patching through Microsoft/Sony's certification processes). If it becomes clear the community wants this - and I hope the community will show that to be the case - then they'll either prove your point, or we may just get what we want.

I think that is wishful thinking, if it's broken now it will be broken in the final game. I predict we will get a response along the lines of "we may consider it for a future patch", which of course will be essentially saying it's not going to happen.

Voted.


I see a difference but nothing near to what I was expecting. Ping pong passing is still there, but not reduced as much as I hoped.

ps3.ShakesUK wrote:A well written post with a very valid argument and lots of sources and material to back it up. Just how it should be done. +1 from me.

Thanks Xaor for proving this kid wrong.

I gave you my vote and here are your for this magnificent thread.

battlefield.t3h_pwn3r3r wrote:

I think that is wishful thinking, if it's broken now it will be broken in the final game. I predict we will get a response along the lines of "we may consider it for a future patch", which of course will be essentially saying it's not going to happen.

To make this clear - the game will release in ROUGHLY the state shown by the videos - with some tweaks probably, but they will be fairly minor in all likelihood. I know that, this is not about EA sorting this out for release - it's about starting momentum now, just pre the demo, to get this sorted out in a day 1 live patch.

Patching is no longer the difficulty that it was a year ago, we have to give them the benefit of the doubt and we have to try.

There really are three ways this can go:

Fails at community level
Fails at EA level
Petition suceeds

If we can make sure that it doesn't fail at the community level, it's a worthwhile process in my opinion. We'll find out whether EA are making this game to be realistic, or not. Give them the benefit of the doubt.

I have always supported an increase in the effects of Pro Passing ever since I heard back from the playtesters and then watched the videos myself. As some of you may know I've been going through these videos and picking out bits and pieces and I can honestly say I've found it very hard to find instances where Pro Passing could be said to have an effect on the way someone plays.

Yes they may now have to take a touch before they pass because consecutive 1st-time-passes gradually increase in error, which may eliminate pitch-length Ping-pong passing, but there are over-hit and under-hit passes that appear to make their way to the target without a problem.

I'd like to see more error on 1st time passes when the player is not looking at the target man as I feel this is doable. Just add extra error for any pass played when the player turns a certain number of degrees. In real life the top teams can string together one-touch passes when they are looking at the target man because it's easier to direct the pass.

Sort out the pass power, make under-hit passes slower than they currently are and make over-hit passes harder to control by all players. Obviously, the better the player the better they are at controlling it but there still needs to be a reason for getting the pass power right, currently there really isn't, since it'll get there anyway.

So in your video are you playing with all the default difficulties? Does pro passing become more apparent when you use 3* or worse teams? Does it become more apparent if you play on harder difficulties?

They game still has to be playable for the casual gamer on the defaults. If you want harder passing, there are settings in the game to make it so.

ps3.jpwalsh1 wrote:They game still has to be playable for the casual gamer on the defaults. If you want harder passing, there are settings in the game to make it so.

That may be true offline, but what I've always been more concerned about is ranked online play where we can't change these settings, we're unable to change the gamespeed online (so that was a big issue many weeks ago; but I believe has been fixed) and Pro Passing is another thing we can't control online and would like to see balanced correctly.

You say the casual gamer should be able to pick-up-and-play and yes I agree, but in online unranked matches, I still do not believe anyone should be able to waltz into a ranked online match with little experience and have the game help them along. It's a slight disservice to those who have spent the time learning the game. Pro Passing should be a major part of online play. You should have to earn a win by being a good player - not by being helped along by the AI as any under-hit or over-hit pass still gets to the player without any ill-effects.

Personally when playing Fifa 11 I felt that pro-passing was subtle but was evident. As a manual player I would expect pro-passing to affect me less than an assisted player but for it still to be there and I felt that was the case. There are also many examples in the Fifa 11 videos of passes going astray that would have been made successfully in Fifa 10 which demonstrates that pro-passing is in the game and has the potential to break down the 'ping-pong' passing moves that we all despise.

However, you have done a great job of compiling a substantial number of examples where pro-passing is clearly not as effective as it should be and I completely agree with your analysis. Regardless of control system, pro-passing should prevent the unrealistically high accuracy of passing we have seen in previous Fifa games when the player does not have full control of the ball and/or is not passing within a reasonable angle of the direction he is facing.

Player skill and attributes should clearly play a part in the ability to make difficult passes and although we only have examples of players in 5* teams i.e. the highest able players in the game, the pro-passing model should be more noticeable than it is with those players and not just with lower rated players.

Well done on compiling this thread and hopefully EA take note. Signed.

I will sign this one way or another after I have played the game. I know you have played it Xaor, but I want to get a hands on feeling of the pro passing effects myself before making judgement. I do agree your video justifies some of the claims and if the video is true to life when I play the game myself I will come back and support this petition, but until then I cannot make a valid judgement.

The thing about these 100 degree plus passes is that players in real life CAN make them and make them pretty accurately....even the second tier players. So, EA has to build in the ability for theses players...especially the worlds elite to be able to make a first time 110 degree pass. That being said....I believe with PP if you do attempt one of those passes and do not hit the mark on the power bar the pass should go short/far and astray.

I still get a feeling that there is a segment of this forum community that will not be satisfied until every pass hit goes astray. I may be wrong, but that is the way I feel.

cem_ea_id.dubrx2003 wrote:I still get a feeling that there is a segment of this forum community that will not be satisfied until every pass hit goes astray. I may be wrong, but that is the way I feel.

When playing with assisted passing I totally accept that passes should still head towards a player. However, I would just like to see the passing power have some sort of effect on the way the receiver has to control the ball.

ps3.CypherUK wrote:

cem_ea_id.dubrx2003 wrote:I still get a feeling that there is a segment of this forum community that will not be satisfied until every pass hit goes astray. I may be wrong, but that is the way I feel.

I totally understand that playing with assisted passing should mean that passes still head towards a player. However, I would just like to see the passing power have some sort of effect on the control by the receiver.

I agree....the power meter should have a larger effect on passes according to the videos.

ps3.jpwalsh1 wrote:So in your video are you playing with all the default difficulties? Does pro passing become more apparent when you use 3* or worse teams? Does it become more apparent if you play on harder difficulties?

They game still has to be playable for the casual gamer on the defaults. If you want harder passing, there are settings in the game to make it so.

I am not playing in any of the videos. Two (the first and second) are from teh gamerbase playtests, the third is EA's own settings. I cannot tell you exactly what settings they are using, but I'm fairly sure it's assisted in each case - if not assisted it will be semi assisted (but I'm 99.9% sure it's assisted).

As for lower teams, well, I'm sure it IS more noticeable, but then, look at how well Pique, not a great passer of the ball, plays that 180 degree spin pass on his second touch. That's probably a fiarly good estimate of how a decent 3* midfielder will pass I'd imagine. Very few people have played with 3* teams (some of those in the list will have done so), but the demo/gamerbase builds did not include any teams lower than maybe 4*.

For me, this game is still way easier to play than it needs to be. I'm not asking for this game to become manual, but manual passing is hundreds of times more difficult than assisted passing at the moment - but a lot of this isn't about difficulty - it's about providing difficult situations with realistic results. If you make a ridiculously angled pass, it shouldn't be succesful very often - that should be the case on assisted, on semi, on manual. EA came up with two elements to solve this. To make assisted more difficult, they added user weighted passing, but... frankly it's almost unnoticeable in those videos, and to make passing more realistic, they added contextual error - but again, it's just not noticeable enough. No team in the world should be close to above passing error - nor any player. If you try a really, really awkward pass with Fabregas it shouldn't work. It's about making people want to play sensible passes, especially with lesser players - and currently it's not close.

I am in no way trying to be a smart * with this video, but as you can see this stuff is possible in real life by even lesser skilled players along with the best in the world. EA needs to build in the ability to do these types of things, but the error needs to be noticeable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ortWLYEYnM

Doesn't look like anything has changed really.

Looking at that video it still looks like we're going to have ping pong passing still...

Great